'Caliphate' Ordo Templi Orientis David Scriven P.R. Koenig Early days of the O.T.O., Theodor Reuss, Arnoldo Krumm-Heller The 1925 "election" The "Emergency" Powers of the IXth degrees Kingdoms and Nationhood Church of Thelema "Bishop" Aleister Crowley EGC: old expressions for a new religion? The "Caliphate" as anti-Crowley? The Solar Lodge O.T.O., "Caliphate" and Freemasonry Disabled members Loudness and the "secret society" Historical methods of archivists Critical theory Protofascistic elements The "thought" argument Mr Heidrick and his "facts" Wills and Testaments, Lawsuits The electoral legacy of Grady McMurtry The "New Caliphate" Double standards Argenteum Astrum

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0º & Iº on 6/29/86 e.v. at Baphomet Lodge, Los Angeles
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IVº & PI on 3/25/88 e.v. at Baphomet Lodge, Los Angeles
K.E.W. on 4/30/88 e.v. at Baphomet Lodge, Los Angeles
Vº on 9/9/88 e.v. at Babalon Chapter, Los Angeles
K.R.E. on 5/21/89 e.v.
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G.I.C. on 3/17/90 e.v.
P.R.S. on 6/30/90 e.v.
VIIº on 9/8/91 e.v.
VIIIº on 4/4/93 e.v.
IXº on 11/12/93 e.v.
Xº on 3/30/96 e.v.

PART ONE OF FIVE
K: ... While running through your fancy history tale I found these "false"
  statements/facts/missing points. Please, be aware that I will not give
  sources of the exact findings (you may find them in my many books) nor will I
  list ALL of the mistakes and false statements in your article:
{{APPENDIX, 1997 September: there are 10 books now.}}

ORDO TEMPLI ORIENTIS: EARLY DAYS
}}OTO WAS NOT FOUNDED IN 1902: ITS FIRST APPEARANCE WAS IN 1906.
S: The following statement occurs on page 15 of the Jubilee Issue of the
  Oriflamme (1912): "When, then in June, 1902, the final separation occurred
  between Brother:. Reuss and his disciple, Leopold E., Brother:. Kellner
  immediately communicated with Brother:. Reuss and caused steps to be taken
  for the acquisition of a Charter admitting the Memphis and Mizraim Rites of
  Freemasonry in Germany for the reason that Brother:. Kellner considered
  these rites, with their 95 and 90 degrees respectively, as the most suitable
  ones to realize his idea with regard to the founding of a `Masonic
  Academy'." So, while in 1895, Reuss and Kellner had discussions on the
  founding of their "Academia Masonica" to be called the Oriental Templar
  Order, they only formally agreed to proceed with it in 1902. We consider
  this to represent the date of the actual conceptual founding of O.T.O., even
  though no formal documents were issued at the time, and all the elements
  were not in final place until 1906.
K: This is propaganda material of Reuss.
S: This is your interpretation, and it is possible. However, can you document
  that it did not happen?
K: Why did he wait until Kellner's death to write a constitution?
S: Why indeed? If I express any other possible reason, you will say I am only
  twisting the facts to suit my purposes; but you are doing the same. What you
  say is certainly possible, but it is not proven.
K: And did not Reuss invent his (hi)story only AFTER Hartmann's death?
S: Again, this is a matter of interpretation and opinion about Reuss's
  motives. You may interpret it one way, I may interpret it differently.
K: I am in possession of the 1903 constitution which is void of OTO and the
  like, although Kellner is mentioned.
S: Do you mean the 1906 Constitution, or the 1903 Manifesto published in the
  1904 Oriflamme and reprinted in Frick?
K: The 1903 constitution [is] not in the Oriflamme: I have the full text
  (appr. 60 pages) and it will be published in my "Der Grosse Theodor Reuss
  Reader". There you will also find some documents re Bricaud and Reuss
  wanting Liber XV as the "central religion of Freemasonry".
S: 1906 Constit.: Evidently I have a different version. Mine is titled
  "Allgemeine Satzungen des Ordens der Orientalischen Templer O.T.O." London,
  the Frederick Printing Co., Ltd., 21` Garlick Hill, E.C. It is in German, 7
  pages long, and is signed "London, den 21. Juni 1906. Der Ordensmeister."
K: As soon as you are sending me paper material I gladly will send you a copy
  of my January 22 [sic] version which indeed is different to the January 21st
  one! Once more: I have the impression that OTO was not founded before 1906
  as a consequence of Reuss' loss of almost all founding MM-members when they
  filed suit in August 1905 because he used their membership fees to pay his
  own private magazine called "Oriflamme" (the suit papers are void of the
  term "OTO" and refer to MM only). Of course, these events were not known to
  either Ellic Howe nor Helmut Moeller (as they also had not access to the
  Swiss archive of Hilfiker with ALL Reuss' charters): their Reuss biography
  is incredibly full of factual errors and hostility and un-readable by
  Historians so that you can throw it away. With all the material that I have
  now I'd say that OTO was founded in January 1906. Do you have evidence that
  Yarker was aware of the OTO?---
S: Given the volume of correspondence between Yarker and Crowley and between
  Yarker and Reuss, it would be surprising if he had been unaware of O.T.O.
K:---By the way, how did you like the Reuss-stuff at my rituals.htm page? Find
  Reuss' Parsifal there, now. 90 per cent of the stuff was prepared by two
  "Caliphate" members! - I also enlarged my copy.htm on the copyrights and
  datatransfer in the internet" plus some links to lawyers on copyright etc.

DID CROWLEY INVENT THE EXPRESSION "OHO"?
S: Interestingly, I noticed that the 1912 Oriflamme identified X* as "Supr.
  Rex (O.H.O.)," while identifying Kellner, Reuss and Crowley as X*. Neither
  Reuss nor anyone else is identified as "O.H.O." in that issue, and Reuss did
  not sign himself "O.H.O." on Crowleys 1912 Charter. I wonder when the term
  "O.H.O." first came into use: perhaps Crowley's _Manifesto of the
  M:.M:.M:._?
K: I understand that "Crowleyites" tend to believe that "the Prophet" either
  invented everything or used it for the first time. But just have a look at
  Reuss' 1906 Constitution.
S: I don't "believe" any such nonsense, I was merely raising what I thought
  might be an interesting topic for discussion. The 1906 Constitution uses the
  terms "Ordensmeister" and "Ordensleiter."
K: Completely wrong. The 1906 uses the term "OHO and Frater Superior" at least
  24 times (inclusive in the signature of Reuss).---
S: Evidently I have a different version... My question about the term O.H.O.
  was not to make a point: it was simple curiosity. I hope that is allowed in
  our discussions.
K:---There were other terms for the leader of the OTO: "SOTOM", "Termaximus
  Regens" and others I can't recall at the moment ... This arises another
  interesting question. "Frater Superior" does NOT appear as a title on its
  own in the Constitution and therefore Germer's expulsion letter to Grant is
  technically meaningless as it is not from the OHO.
}}I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DOCUMENT OF THE OFFICIAL FOUNDING OF THE OTO IN 1902.
S:  See above.
}}KELLNER WAS _NOT_ A MEMBER OF THE HBL
S: The Jubilee Issue of the Oriflamme mentions Kellner's contact with the
  Hermetic Brotherhood of Light, and the name was later used by Reuss to refer
  to the inner circle of O.T.O. We believe there is sufficient evidence to
  believe that Kellner was, in fact, a member, on some level, of the
  organization referred to.
K: [See above]. There NEVER has been any other source than Reuss' mind.
S: Do you know this for a fact? Do you have access to the complete membership
  records for the H.B.L. in all its forms? Is every fact of history
  documented? If the documentation for something is lost or destroyed, does
  that mean that it never really happened? You can say there is a lack of
  substantiation; but you can't say positively that it didn't happen. However,
  since there does appear to be so little substantiation of this, I have
  revised the language in our essay.
}}KELLNER WAS _NEVER_ A MEMBER OF ANY MASONIC GROUP.
S: According to the Jubilee Issue of the Oriflamme, Kellner was initiated at
  the Lodge Humanitas in Neuhaeusl. Ellic Howe, in his AQC article, "Theodor
  Reuss: Irregular Freemasonry in Germany, 1900-23," was unable to trace this
  lodge, but C.I. Kapralik, in his comment appended to Howe's article, was
  able to do so. He states that the Lodge Humanitas was actually located in
  Neudorfl, not Neuhaeusl.
K: As long as there are NO documents: Kellner was no mason. Do you have access
  to the surviving archive of Kellner?
S: We do not. I cannot prove Kellner was a Mason beyond the shadow of a doubt,
  even though I believe he probably was. I have changed our essay to reflect
  this.
}}REUSS DID _NOT_ OBTAIN RIGHTS FROM YARKER IN 1902
K: This only happened in Reuss' mind): you can find a facsimile of that 1902
  charter in my "Materialien zum OTO"---
S: It appears to have happened in Yarker's mind as well.
K:---where you can also find ALL of Reuss' charters (which went over to his
  successor Hans Rudolf Hilfiker)
S: That is interesting, since both Traenker and Crowley mention in their
  correspondence that Reuss's papers were in the possession of a woman, I
  believe her name was Paula Reuss. Perhaps Hilfiker was better able to afford
  the purchase price for Reuss's papers than either Crowley or Traenker were.
  Of course, the mere physical possession of a Charter does not convey any
  authority whatever, unless such Charter is properly executed with the
  bearer's name on it.
{{APPENDIX, 1997: This is very interesting since there exists no such paper
  making Crowley the OHO of the OTO, or making McMurtry the OHO of the OTO.}}

REUSS' WILL AND WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS PAPERS
K: I don't think that Paula Reuss (who is mentioned in Reuss' Last Will and
  Testament as heir! which leaves out Crowley and other claimants!) ever
  possessed anything of importance.---
S: We have known all along that Crowley was not heir to Reuss's estate or
  papers.
K:---Otherwise Germer, Crowley, Traenker or Krumm-Heller (who, like Germer,
  was a wealthy man) would have bought that stuff!
S: You may be right, but Crowley and Traenker did seem to be under the
  impression that she did have something. As I recall, Crowley says somewhere,
  in his Confessions, or diaries, that she tried to sell him Reuss's papers.
  Tranker says in his correspondence with Jones that her papers ended up in
  Russia. We may never know for sure.
K: Reuss wanted his wife as heir. You say that this only goes for Reuss'
  "papers". I say "no"!
S: No, I said "estate or papers." In your article in TH, "Veritas Mystica
  Maxima," you say that Reuss's "last will of 27 June 1923 was in favour of
  his wife and his housekeeper without provisions relating to OTO, MM or
  Gnostic Church."
...
K: I doubt that her papers ended in Russia, as Traenker said. Why have they
  been found in Hilfiker's possession?
}}YARKER, BY THE WAY, HAD NO AUTHORITY TO GIVE OVER ANY "REGULAR" MM-DEGREES:
HE WAS EXPELLED MANY YEARS BEFORE.
S: Actually, the only Masonic body Yarker was ever expelled from was the
  English Ancient and Accepted Rite, of which he was a Rose Croix member, on
  Nov. 19, 1870. However, prior to 1870, he had resigned all his other
  "establishment" Masonic memberships except Rose Croix and Knights Templar.
  We, by the way, do not claim to give out regular Masonic degrees.
[Editorial note: See discussion in Part Two on "The OTO, "Caliphate" and
  Freemasonry".]
}}RUDOLF STEINER ONLY WAS CHARTERED A 30., 67., AND 89
K: And he quit with Reuss after several weeks; after he found out that Reuss'
  Order was of no value.
S: You are probably correct that Steiner was not a X°. His short-term
  relationship with Reuss is a fact, but not one we considered relevant for
  our article.
}}ON THE SAME DAY AS CROWLEY ANOTHER X° WAS APPOINTED: CZESLAW CYZNSKI.
WHAT IS THE SOURCE THAT TRAENKER WAS CHARTERED THAT SAME DAY?
K:  Please send a paper copy of your source.
S: Traenker was chartered on the same date as Jones, not Crowley. ... My
  source for the date of Traenker's X° charter is the Traenker/Jones
  correspondence. I reviewed this file while I was at Hymenaeus Beta's house
  in March. I don't think I made a copy of this particular letter, I only made
  a note of the date. [Re. Czesław Czyński:] Thank you. We have no information
  on this individual.
{{AFTERWORD, 1997: But this individual was mentioned by W. Breeze himself in
  "The Magical Link" as a X° for all the Slavs (along with Quilliam as X° for
  Turkey).}}

THEODOR REUSS
}}REUSS NEVER WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE CONCEPT OF THELEMA---
K: (see Reuss' mis-spellings in his "1917 Constitution"). Of course he was NOT
  "enthusiastic" about it. He did NOT translate the Liber AL into German---
S: We disagree. The following is from an undated letter of Reuss to Crowley,
  which is believed to have been written in 1917: "The consecration of the New
  Temple on Monte Verita took place midsummersday and your "Invocation" was
  fervently recited by me!! All learn it now by heart. — On Easter Sunday the
  "Message from Therion" was read to a gathering of Vegetarians who had
  foregathered on Monte Verita for establishing a cooperative settlement on
  Monte Verita... "You are ever-present, whenever we meet for work! "Energized
  Enthusiasm" is studied by the Brothers and Sisters with holy Awe! I am
  translating the _Liber Legis_! And "The Ship" will be performed on Monte
  Verita as a Mystery Play!! Let this News encourage you! We live in your
  Work!!!" Such language belies a certain degree of enthusiasm. Of course,
  Reuss also translated the Gnostic Mass, a very Thelemic ritual, into German.
  His misspellings in the 1917 Constitution are only evidence of bad spelling
  and/or proof-reading. Certainly, however, he and Crowley had their own
  individual ideas regarding Thelema; his translation of the Gnostic Mass is
  unorthodox. He does seem to have, at least, begun a translation of Liber AL,
  though he may well have never finished it. Reuss's enthusiasm for Crowley's
  "Work" seems to have cooled off somewhat after 1921, possibly for reasons
  discussed below. In a letter to Traenker dated Feb. 14, 1925, Crowley said
  that "Reuss was very uncertain in temper, and in many ways unreliable. In
  his last years he seems to have completely lost his grip, even accusing _The
  Book of the Law_ of communistic tendencies, than which no statement could be
  more absurd."
K:---This is only in Crowley's mind to give his activities a base.
S: Perhaps, perhaps not. Your opinion versus mine.
K: I would like to see a copy of Reuss' accusation.
S: So would I. I have never seen it, I was only quoting Crowley.
K: By the way - an appendix - Reuss did not translate/publish Liber XV in 1920
  as you wrote in your History draft: he translated it in 1917 and it was
  published in 1918! Before Crowley!
S: I was never very sure about the 1920 date, since Howe gave 1918. I had
  based that date on M. Jungkurth's translation. I recently received a copy of
  Reuss's original German version which has "A.O. 800." Clearly, A.O. 800
  would be 1918 and not 1920. Crowley's first publication of the Gnostic Mass
  was in _The International_, Volume XIII No. 3, dated March 1918. Obviously,
  Crowley gave Reuss a manuscript or typescript some time during the previous
  five years. He may have done so at the same time that he for warded a
  typescript to Jones in 1917.
K: You say that the misspellings in the 1917 Constitution was bad spelling
  and/or proof-reading. I can hardly follow your argument since Reuss and
  Crowley allegedly worked "closely together" in 1914! There are NO other
  misspellings in that Constitution and why should they only occur when it
  touches Thelima [sic]?---
S: I don't know, neither do you. However, I can't accept your assertion that
  Reuss's misspellings indicate his rejection of Thelema; when Reuss
  translates Crowley's books and says to Crowley things like, "We live in your
  Work!!!" Here's a thought, perhaps Reuss preferred to transliterate the
  Greek letter "eta" using the Roman letter "i" rather than "e," which is more
  in accordance with modern (and Byzantine) Greek pronunciation. Hence,
  "Thelima" and "Thirion."
K:---What is your source that Reuss' translation of Liber XV should be
  "unorthodox"? Jungkurt's translation? I compared Reuss' to Crowley's
  translation already 10 years ago and found it rather correct (except one
  addition to the Law).
S: The term "unorthodox" is, I suppose, subject to dispute. This was a
  statement of my personal opinion, based primarily on Reuss's addition to the
  Law. However, Reuss did rewrite the ritual fairly substantially.
}}---AND SUFFERED NO STROKE IN 1920: IN THIS SUMMER HE HAPPILY HELD A MASONIC
CONGRESS IN ZUERICH AND WAS VERY HEALTHY. IN NOVEMBER 1921 REUSS FORBADE
CROWLEY TO MIX THE OTO WITH THELEMA,
S: Crowley recorded in his diary---
    K: quoting Crowley as the sole source narrows down the credibility of the
      topic because it is easy to draw the conclusion (knowing Crowley's
      treating of other people) that he abuses "silence" to interpret it as a
      "stroke" in the same way as YOU do!---
    S: As I said before, I am more familiar with Crowley's writings. I do not
      believe that Reuss's stroke is a proven fact, and have modified our
      history essay accordingly. However, I do not believe it has been
      entirely disproven, either.
    K:---You only believe Crowley because it suits/serves your needs.---
    S: You take the opposite position because that suits/serves _your_ needs.
      We both have the same evidence before us. The matter is not clearly
      proven either way. We can either take a stand one way or another, or
      leave it alone as being unclear.
    [Editorial note: see also later discussion in Part Three on "Critical
      Theory"]
    K:---As long as you don't have any other source Crowley's entry in his
      diary is of no relevance.
    S: Do you not occasionally come to conclusions on the basis of a single
      source? Or is the problem here that you consider Crowley a _bad_ source?
S:---that he had been informed that Reuss had suffered a stroke. Reuss's
  stroke is also mentioned on page 149 of _The Magical World of Aleister
  Crowley_ by Francis King.---
K: Since when do you accept Francis King as relevant?
S: Why shouldn't I? I may disagree with his opinions, but I can usually
  distinguish his opinions from his reportage. In certain cases, for instance
  when Soror Grimaud tells me that Smith never performed cunnilingus during
  Gnostic Mass at Agape Lodge, I believe her rather than King, because she was
  there and King wasn't. Now, to be sure, King wasn't in Zuerich, either; but
  I'm no longer making a positive assertion about Reuss's stroke, only
  reserving doubt.
S: ...Charges of inaccuracy must be backed up by contradictory information.
  When I quoted King about Reuss's stroke I had no information to contradict
  what he said. Now that I have additional information, I have some reason to
  doubt his statement. He probably got his information from Crowley's
  correspondence with W.T.Smith.
K: AC was maybe jealous because Reuss had given several Xth charters to others
  than to Crowley's disciples, and most of all: Reuss had made Achad the Xth
  for America on 10 May 1921, which aroused Crowley's anger. Crowley was NEVER
  in a position to rule over the US-countries as long as Achad was alive.
  Therefore Crowley "expelled" poor old Achad on 1 October 1934 in order to
  claim supremacy over the US. But, unfortunately for Crowley, Achad only died
  on 24 February 1950: which makes EVERYthing that Crowley ruled in the US
  null and void. Achad (collaborating with Traenker) remained responsible for
  the US because he had a Reuss-X° and not a Crowley-X°. Older and stronger
  rights! I almost wonder why Crowley did not expel Reuss in 1921 or so. Well,
  he "only" invented that famous "stroke" in order to "invalidate" those
  Traenker- and other-charters of 1921, and in order to invalidate Reuss'
  separation OTO from Thelema.
S:---Strokes are not always physically disabling. How healthy Reuss was at the
  July 1920 Zuerich Congress must remain a matter of conjecture, since none of
  us were there personally. However, according to Howe, Matthew McBlain
  Thomson, who also attended the Conference, reported some rather irrational
  behavior on Reuss's part; and Reuss was only able to attend the first day of
  the Congress.---
K: I have the surviving papers of that Zuerich congress. Reuss was in a good
  health, attended the first day because he wanted to realise Bricaud's idea
  to introduce Crowley's Liber XV as the central religion for freemasonry. But
  when the mood of the congress went against him he did not return the other
  day. Any suggestion that Reuss suffered from a mental disease or a physical
  stroke is NONSENSE and propaganda in order to disclaim Reuss' authority.
S: I think this matter of Reuss's stroke has been dealt with now. I am quite
  fascinated by the idea that Reuss and Bricaud would want to "introduce
  Crowley's Liber XV as the central religion for freemasonry." I would like to
  see more information on this. It seems so out of character, especially for
  Bricaud; I was under the impression that Bricaud and Crowley were at odds. I
  do not understand what you mean by "the central religion for freemasonry."
  How can a single document, a single ritual, be considered a "religion"?
      (Editorial note: see later discussion on "Bishop" Aleister Crowley and
      "The EGC".] {{APPENDIX, 1997: Some of the above mentioned papers
      meanwhile are published as fascimile in Koenig: "Der Grosse Theodor
      Reuss Reader".}}
S:---In any case, Crowley definitely believed---
    K: a) It is of no matter what Crowley believed (also Geoffrey Basil Smith
      of England believes to be the OHO); and b) see [earlier remark re.
      quoting Crowley]
    S: I don't think you understood my point. Crowley's belief that Reuss had
      had a stroke would not have made it true if his belief had been
      incorrect. However, even if his belief was incorrect, the fact that he
      believed it would be an important factor to take into account in
      evaluating his motives for his subsequent actions.
S:---that Reuss had suffered a stroke. Crowley wrote to his Viceroy Frank
  Bennett in Australia informing him of Reuss's alleged stroke. We do not have
  a copy of this letter, but in it, Crowley evidently referred to Reuss as
  having become demented as a result of the stroke and thus unfit to remain/
  perform the functions of O.H.O.---
    K: Only because Crowley wanted to become OHO: therefore he had do denounce
      Reuss.
    S: You impute bad motives. I must admit that Crowley often behaved badly,
      but this does not justify always assuming the worst.
S:---Crowley apparently suggested that the existing X°s---
    K: But he did not notify ALL X°. Only those who followed him. This makes
      his attempt (as McMurtry's) unauthoritative.
    S: I never said it was authoritative. I'm not even sure it happened. I
      don't think you or I will ever be sure what happened.
S:---should depose Reuss. Reuss evidently discovered the correspondence. In
  response, he wrote an angry, defensive, and irrational letter to Crowley
  dated November 9, 1921. This is the letter you are so fond of quoting, in
  which he appears to distance himself and O.T.O. from Thelema. His change of
  heart vis-a-vis Thelema appears to have been the result of a temper tantrum
  over the challenge to his authority, possibly aggravated by the onset of
  dementia.
{{AFTERWORD, 1997: Reading from the FACTS - i.e. the letter itself - there is
  very little which "appears" or is "irrational" about the fact that Reuss
  would naturally have been made very irate by any attempted coup by Crowley
  aimed at usurping his authority, and this has nothing to do with any alleged
  "dementia"! And since there is no known sequel to this letter retracting
  Reuss's point of view, it seems very unlikely under the circumstances that
  he would have chosen Aleister Crowley to have succeeded him less than two
  years afterwards!}}
}}CROWLEY SELF PROCLAIMED HIMSELF SULKINGLY OHO
S: Your adverbial embellishment is, perhaps, more prejudice than fact---
    K: This is funny because it is YOU (as well?) who argues with prejudice.
      [Editorial note: see also later discussion in Part Three on "Critical
      Theory".]
    S: I was referring only to your use of the word "sulkingly." Was I too
      harsh?
S:---In Crowley's letter to Traenker dated Feb. 14, 1925, he states that Reuss
  "must have been to some extent correctly led, on account of his having made
  the appointments of yourself and Frater Achad, and designating me in his
  last letter his successor."---
    K: Show me that letter!
    S: If I had it, there would be no argument over this issue.
S:---Crowley did proclaim himself O.H.O. in his diary on November 27, 1921. He
  also wrote to Reuss on November 23, 1921, stating "It is my will to be
  O.H.O. and Frater Superior of the Order and avail myself of your
  abdication---
    K: Show me a document of Reuss' abdication!
    S: If I had it, there would be no argument over this issue.
S:---to proclaim myself as such." It would not be surprising, given his
  probable mental condition,---
    K: You follow Crowley's fantasy
    S: Possibly.
S:---that Reuss would have appointed one or more additional "successors" after
  Crowley; Crowley later established cordial relations with Krumm-Heller (they
  worked together in opposition to Lewis.)
K: Please show me a document! (when I ask for documents I prefer a copy on
  paper to a quotation).
[Editorial note: see next section for continuation of Krumm-Heller
  discussion.]
...
K: And it might interest you that the Reuss OTO Grand Lodge of Switzerland
  still exists in an unbroken line to these days. It is NOT Metzger's version.
S: Yes, that does interest me. Perhaps you might be so good as to answer the
  following questions about them:
  1. Do they observe the 1917 Constitution?
  2. Do they admit women?
  3. Are they all Freemasons?
  4. Do they accept Liber XV as the "official religion of Freemasonry?"
  5. Do they operate according to Reuss's "Programme of Construction and
     Guiding Principles of the Gnostic Neo-Christians, O.T.O."?

ARNOLDO KRUMM-HELLER
}}WHAT IS YOUR SOURCE THAT KRUMM-HELLER NEVER FOUNDED ANY OTO-LODGE?
S. says that he was told this by Parsival Krumm-Heller when he and several
  other O.T.O. members interviewed him on September 7, 1994. The interview
  notes were sent to Mr. Krumm-Heller for verification of the accuracy of his
  statements recorded therein. They were so confirmed by letter from him dated
  Dec. 2, 1994.
}}THERE ARE SEVERAL KNOWN KRUMM-HELLER-X°s!
S: According to Parsival K.-H., his father only authorized his successors in
  F.R.A. and the Iglesia Gnostica; keeping these quite separate from O.T.O.
  per se. One must presume that any claim to O.T.O. (per se) deriving from
  Krumm-Heller would be based on some sort of "misunderstanding." On being
  informed of Dr. Toca's claim to have been appointed OHO of OTO and FRA
  through the Krumm-Heller lineage by Sar Thelemako in Cuba, Parsival K.-H.
  responded as follows in a letter dated Dec. 2, 1994: "Dr. Roberto C. Toca is
  not known to me and I am quite sure that he could never have been appointed
  to OHO through the K.-H. lineage. He would have to produce his missing
  documents to prove it. I have inherited my father's complete paperworks and
  could find no evidence." Also according to P. K.-H., his father only
  authorized F.R.A. and Iglesia Gnostica to be operated in countries where
  Spanish and Portuguese are the principal languages. He also never appointed
  a successor as world-wide head for F.R.A., preferring to allow the national
  heads of F.R.A. to work independently. This is in contrast with O.T.O.,
  which was always intended to operate under an O.H.O.
K: Re: interview with Parsival Krumm-Heller: I am glad that you could do that
  interview because Parsival Krumm-Heller refused to do so with me all those
  years. I would like to know: WHO was appointed successor to FRA and Gnostic
  Church by Krumm-Heller?
S: Here is the portion of my interview which pertained to the K.-H.
  succession: "Krumm-Heller left no successor as worldwide head of F.R.A., but
  instead designated an independent regional successor in each country in
  which he had established F.R.A., as follows:
  Spain: D.R. Ballester (d. 1980)
  Venezuela: Anna Delia Gonzales
  Brazil: Dr. Albert Wolf (director of a health resort in Germany. His wife
  was a physician in Sao Paolo. After the war, Wolf lived with Krumm-Heller
  in Marburg. He was the only one of the successors to receive the Gnostic
  Church succession as well as the F.R.A. succession.  He died shortly after
  Krumm-Heller's death.)
  Mexico: Mario Alvarez
  Cuba: Johannes Muller Rider (Frater Thelemako)
  Argentina: ? Arquia
  Philippines: ?
  Israel Rojas Romero, though he had been a student of Krumm-Heller, was never
  appointed head of F.R.A. for Colombia by Krumm-Heller.
  Eduard Munninger's claim to have been appointed by Krumm-Heller as head of
  F.R.A. for Austria is false: Krumm-Heller never established or authorized
  any F.R.A. activity in Europe except in Spain. Krumm-Heller considered
  F.R.A. to be for the Spanish and Portuguese-speaking world only.
  Krumm-Heller initially gave H. Spencer Lewis authority to operate F.R.A. in
  the US.  However, he later severed his ties with Lewis because he came to
  believe that AMORC was being operated as a business, rather than as a
  charitable fraternity.  He later established ties with R. Swinburne Clymer,
  head of the Rosicrucian Fraternity in Quakertown, Pennsylvania."
{{APPENDIX, 1997: Parsifal Krumm-Heller openly aped the same conclusions that 
Koenig had drawn in the articles that he (Koenig) had sent him prior in a printed format: 
"Rosenkreuz und Baphomet", in AHA #5, Bergen, 1991, ISSN 0936-8841}}


Eduard Munninger: Roses in Austria. The successor to Arnoldo Krumm-Heller



S: The question marks above indicate names he was unable to recall. He did not
  have his complete notes with him.
K: But again: it is of NO relevance what Parsival Krumm-Heller thought or
  still thinks.
S: Perhaps his recollections and access to papers, however, are of some
  importance.
K: Do you always believe what a son tells about his father's activities: would
  YOU accept Aleister Ataturk ruling your Order?
S: No, and I don't believe P. K.-H. rules F.R.A.
K: Or do you believe what Ataturk told about his father and the Order?
S: I would listen to him, compare what he had to say with other sources,
  evaluate the possible sources of his information, then make my own
  conclusions.
K: Would YOU accept that McMurtry's children "in reality" have a saying in
  your Order?
S: They would have nothing to offer but their opinions, they would have no
  useful recollections or access to useful papers.
K: E.g. Metzger's children, still alive, are absolutely NOT interested in
  their father's activities, but do they rule the order or do they know about
  their father's activities?
S: You've made your point, I hope I've made mine.
K: Don't forget: Almost ALL FRA lodges did NOT accept Parsival. He vanished in
  the mid50s but the FRA still was active.
S: I make no argument that Parsival should be head of F.R.A., although I found
  him a very amiable person.
K: But I agree with you that there is NO worldwide leader of the FRA. Can you
  send me a copy of that interview, please?
S: I will consider it. However, I think Parsival would, perhaps, be rather
  upset with me if he found my interview of him published in one of your
  books.
}}REUSS PUBLISHED IN DECEMBER 1921 THAT HE HIMSELF TOGETHER WITH ARNOLDO
KRUMM-HELLER WERE THE HEIRS TO CARL KELLNER AND FRANZ HARTMANN (THAT IS, THE
OTO). LATER REUSS MADE HILFIKER HIS SUCCESSOR. BUT CERTAINLY NOT CROWLEY.
K: Crowley's OTO-group is only a breakaway group from the original OTO.
S: Reuss and A.K.-H. certainly were heirs to the tradition of Kellner and
  Hartmann, but so was Crowley. Note that the portraits of Kellner and
  Hartmann, along with those of Steiner, Reuss and Crowley, hung in the F.R.A.
  Lodge in Brazil. Kellner and Hartmann were considered guiding influences of
  F.R.A. as well as of O.T.O. It would not be surprising, given his probable
  mental condition, that Reuss would have appointed one or more additional
  "successors" after Crowley; although I do not believe you have thoroughly
  documented this. As you note in your TH article, Hilfiker admitted that OTO
  — at least his putative "branch" of it — died with Reuss.
{{APPENDIX, 1997: no member of the Brazilian FRA is aware that Scriven ever
  was visiting one of their temples.}}
...
[following refers to exchange from "Crowley self-proclaimed himself sulkingly
  OHO":]
K: Please show me a document! Except of Krumm-Heller meeting Crowley in 1930 I
  never was aware that the both had anything in common. "Au contraire"!!!! I
  heavily doubt that they conspired together against Lewis: proof please!
S: Here are a number of Crowley diary entries for 1930-32 in which Crowley
  mentions A.K.-H. He usually misspelled his name "Krum Heller," I have
  corrected his spelling.
  "Wed. 23 April 1930
  At Birven's. Met Dr. Krumm-Heller. Plantikow (artist — good)
  Birven to dinner — asked alone in private — Worner sculptor (good
  draughtsman) bobs up with him. I showed black rage. The pompous
  idiot is too mannerless.
  Sun. 27 April 1930
  Drove Heiligensee to 4 o'c with Krumm-Heller
  Tiegel 1840. Jaegerweg 10 Heiligensee. Berlin.
  Played chess won all but 1st game — lost on a trick.
  Wed. 30 April 1930
  Wrote Birven.
  Krumm Heller lunch 12.30 Pelzer. He agrees visit London May 10-
  12. Steiner & Miss Jaeger to dinner.
  KH says Krishnamurti is most important to rope in.
  Tues. 27 May 1930
  Konody lunch 1.0. Onjaira v. good.
  Call for G.K. 7.30 p.m. dinner.
  Germer & Dr. Krumm Heller arrived.
  Party at 31.  K.H. left early, tired (?). The Konody's.
  McAllen, stewed, & his whore. Germer. Yorke.
  Wed. 15 October 1930
  — love again.
  Dr. Krumm Heller called. He explained his attitude satisfactorily
  But there is something which rings false.
  Mon. 24 November 1930
  Karl came & talked re Krumm-Heller. Wrote K.H. accordingly.
  Wed. December 10, 1930
  [I Ching reading]
  Steiner & Krumm-Heller in p.m.
  Sun. 17 May 1931
  Soror I.W.E. brought Geo. Brinkmann & wife to consult. Case just as I thought
  Conference with her and Krumm-Heller & the wreched Germer in p.m.
  A very bad Kilbsmich at Eden.
  Painted a superb picture - tree in storm at sea - the love between myself
  and Hanni Jaeger.
  Tues. 6 October 1931
  Woke up full of energy and youth.
  Frau v. Alvensleben rang up re Germer's insanity.
  Krumm-Heller called with one Muller, an anthropophagist.
  Went to movies - everything got very late.
  Thur. 4 Feb. 1932
  Rather brilliant chess.
  Krumm-Heller called with Peryt Shou.
  [circled cross symbol] 105 [Sigma alpha nu sigma] Bill v. nervous.
  Thur. 11 Feb. 1932
  K-H here with Peryt Shou."
S: The following is from my interview with Parsival: "Krumm-Heller met with
  Crowley on several occasions and, according to his unpublished memoirs, held
  him in high esteem. He may have visited Crowley in Cefalu. On June 7, 1930,
  Crowley, Karl Germer and Karl's first wife Cora met with Krumm-Heller at
  Krumm-Heller's house in Berlin, Germany. Parsival, then 5 1/2 years old, was
  there. Parsival remembers being terrified at first at the presence of
  Therion. Crowley asked Krumm-Heller why he had named his son Parsival, and
  Krumm-Heller responded that Parsival h ad been born at the foot of Monsalvat
  in Spain. Crowley, who spoke in fluent Spanish to Parsival's father,
  addressed Parsival in broken German, and predicted that Parsival would
  always be "a loner."
S: I have not been able to corroborate the June 7, 1930 meeting with Crowley's
  diaries. Martin Starr sent me a copy of a letter from Crowley to K.-H. dated
  Dec. 28, 1936, in which he asks for K.-H.'s help in a proposed legal action
  against Lewis. If you require a copy of this letter, it would be best if you
  could obtain it from Mr. Starr.
K: Re. Parsival Krumm-Heller's history account. I do know a certain Mario
  Alvarez, but he is not from Mexico. There is still a Memphis-Misraim-temple
  in Mexico (when I was there) ... I doubt heavily that Krumm-Heller gave
  Lewis authority to operate an FRA lodge in the US. As long as I don't have
  any proof there only is Parsival's memory. I also doubt that Krumm-Heller
  ever answered to that 1937 letter from Crowley re. Lewis.
S: I have no information on this.
K: I will add a pertinent note to my present FRA-piece at my URL, soon.
  Meanwhile you may read some interesting NAZI-links that Arnoldo and Parsival
  had.
S: Parsival was reluctant to discuss his own history, but he did mention that
  he had fought on the German side during WWII.
K: I never found evidence that Krumm-Heller really was member of any Red Cross
  section. All the Red Cross authorities I asked (in Spain, in Switzerland and
  in Germany) reacted very strangeley, also the embassies that I have asked. I
  have the impression that Krumm-Heller had a political career of his own (see
  also my "Abramelin & Co"). I doubt that Krumm-heller was cremated in his Red
  Cross uniform: look at the picture in my "Ein Leben fuer die Rose" on his
  death bed.
...

THE 1925 ELECTION
}}CROWLEY WAS CONFIRMED "OHO" IN 1925 ONLY BY _TWO_ OF APPROX. 10 SURVIVING X*
  OF THAT TIME---
S: Presumably you mean Bricaud, Krumm-Heller and Hansen; and possibly Czynski
  (uncertain), Hilfiker (undocumented), Hoffman (uncertain) and Lincke
  (uncertain). Encausse and Detre were dead by then. Windram was bankrupt and
  inactive. Jean-Maine's claim is undocumented and probably spurious. Crowley
  later established cordial relations with Krumm-Heller (they worked together
  in opposition to Lewis). The remainder failed to put forth a viable
  challenger to Crowley for the O.H.O. successorship.
}}K:---AND BOTH, JONES AND TRAENKER WITHDREW THEIR VOICE QUICKLY!!!!
S: Nevertheless, the votes had been irrevocably cast. They never came together
  to depose Crowley from his office, or to replace him with someone else.
  Despite all the controversies you cite, Crowley's flag remained waving at
  the end of the day.
K: Withdrawn remains withdrawn!---
    S: Whenever I have cast a vote to elect a person to an office of
      authority, I have never been given the opportunity to withdraw my vote
      later. If I tried to, no-one would listen to me.
K:---a) Crowley was not elected OHO but only a "World Saviour",---
    S: "Traenker and the American Grand Master, C.R.J. Stansfeld Jones
      ("Frater Achad," 1886-1950, who also had a Reuss charter), elected X*
      Crowley OHO in 1925." - P.-R. Koenig, "The OTO Phenomenon,"
      _Theosophical History_, V. IV, No. 3, July 1992.
K:---b) he was not elected by ALL X°.---
    S: Was such an election necessary? Did they elect someone else?
K:---and c) a withdrawal has to be seen as the contrary of "irrevocably cast".
S: Then what was the point of voting in the first place? Withdrawal of votes:
  Now if the votes were merely confirming someone in an office he already
  claimed, then such votes would represent no more than a show of support
  anyway. Their revocation would only indicate withdrawal of support: the
  person would remain in the claimed office without their formal support.
K: So, why then, please tell me, did Traenker consider himself to be the OHO
  of OTO, Head of Memphis-Misraim and the Gnostic Church etc etc. until he
  died? [see my "Das Beste von Heinrich Traenker"]. This automatically
  nullifies his earlier "approval" of Crowley as "World Saviour" (if that's
  equated with OHO, at all). Traenker's heir still is alive...
S: Surely a rhetorical question. If there were a "Traenker O.T.O." still out
  there, then this might be an interesting discussion; but there isn't.
K: How do you know? Only because "you" are a loud group, others don't have to
  be as well! In a further step of productive exchange of info and material I
  am prepared to give you all needed addresses.
{{AFTERWORD, 1997: And also, could not Traenker's O.T.O. feasibly be held by
  his heir "in trust", in similar fashion to what S. suggests McMurtry did as
  the "Caliphate"'s only _bona fide_ functioning representative between 1962
  and 1977?}}
...
K: Re. your assumption that Traenker's and Achad's withdrawal of Crowley
  accepting a "World Saviour" as "irrevocably cast": prove it:---
    S: This is pointless. If I were Crowley, I'd say the votes had been
      irrevocably cast, and that they were technically unnecessary anyway. If
      I were Traenker, I'd say that I had been misled, and that my vote was,
      therefore, invalid. If I were Jones, I'd be unable to make up my mind
      what I wanted. We side with Crowley, you say they were all wrong.
K:---And why did Traenker from 1925 call himself OHO of the OTO? This
  certainly makes his earlier acknowledgement of the World Saviour null and
  void. This also is the reason why Crowley never mentioned Traenker again. Or
  why Krumm-Heller put his back towards Traenker. EVERYONE WANTED TO BE OHO.

THE "EMERGENCY"
}}THERE WERE COUNTLESS OTO BRANCHES _ACTIVE_ DURING WORLD WAR II, NONE OF THE
EUROPEAN BRANCHES WAS DESTROYED:
S: I'm afraid we disagree completely on this. We have no evidence of active
  O.T.O. groups in Europe during WWII.
K: Maybe YOU don't know but only because it does not exist in your archive or
  in your "official statement" it does not wipe the facts out of reality.
S: It isn't a fact on your say-so; I'll need to see some evidence if you want
  to convince me of this.
K: Re. your allegation that Metzger had no activities outside of Europe:---
    S: Actually, I reviewed our essay, and we didn't say that. We only said
      that he never operated in the U.S.
K:---a) he appointed Gabriel Montenegro a X° for North America---
    S: I asked Martin Starr about this, and here is his reply: "I have never
      heard from Helen Smith that Montenegro was appointed anything by
      Metzger. There is nothing in their surviving correspondence (Metzger and
      Smith) mentioning anything of the sort, nor have I ever seen anything
      written by Montenegro claming any degree in OTO beyond the IXth."---
        K: I have a very detailed written testimony of Montenegro's
          enthronement as X° by a witness of that time.
        S: How strange. I wonder why Montenegro never mentioned it to anyone
          in the U.S. One would think he would have mentioned it to Soror
          Grimaud [Editorial note: magical name of Helen P. Smith], at least,
          but apparently not.
    S:---I then asked him for further clarification, and he responded with
      this: "Bottom line with Montenegro and Metzger is that Montenegro held
      Metzger to be a black magician, did not accept him as OHO and wanted
      nothing to do with him after he returned to the USA. Metzger could have
      done and said anything, but of what consequence is it?" I am aware of
      your reference to the Englert article in "Zion," do you have other
      sources as well?
    K: see above. I furthermore have a pile of original letters from
      Montenegro where he told to some Metzger collaborators that he does not
      know of any OTO activities in the US. Letters dated ca 1967 or so.
    S: I believe that. I don't think there were any OTO activities in the U.S.
      during 1967.
K:---and b) Ana Delia Gonzales for South America.---
    S: That is less debatable, and probably warrants a change to our essay.
    K:--What else do you want? If YOU don't have any documents proving that,
      others have! You introduce Mellinger in your argument that Metzger was
      not aware of any IX* outside Europe. Why Mellinger? He was in Germany
      and not in the US!
    S: Did he notify Mellinger or not?
K:---Metzger knew of no other OTO activity outside Europe! Therefore he
  enthroned Montenegro and Delia.---
    S: Here is some more information I received from Starr: Metzger sent
      Wilfred Smith, dead since 1957, a copy of his Manifesto claiming to
      follow Germer as OHO." So Metzger was, at least, aware of the Agape
      Lodge address; and thought that there was someone there worth notifying
      (after the fact).---
        K: This only shows that he was not aware of any OTO activities,
          otherwise he would have known of Smith's death.
        S: "Aware of" and "knowledgeable about" are quite different things.
    K:---As Smith was expelled in 1945 why consider him a vote in any
      election?---
        S:  Why bother to send him an announcement afterwards, then?
    K:---I only can outline and repeat my opinion: Metzger was an active OTO
      (whether "real" or not). He spent all his money and energy to have also
      other groups going on in/after the desperate situation in Europe after
      WWII. He was not aware of any other such groups outside Europe and made
      representatives and efforts to keep these groups alive outside Europe.
      And suddenly he is confronted by someone pretending to be "the real" OTO
      in 1977 who was not active for 20 years or so and considered non
      existent (re the Order's activities).---
        S: His efforts in this regard were laudable. It is, perhaps,
          unfortunate that he and McMurtry were not able to agree on how to
          proceed with the Order.
K:---Metzger made Walter ENGLERT a X° for Germany although this was
  (allegedly) withdrawn later (I never have seen any evidence that Metzger
  cancelled the X°-ship, only the right to run a lodge). I have written
  testimonies to the enthronisation of Englert into the X° by witnesses. When
  Metzger sued Englert, he lost. Therefore Englert must be considered a "real"
  X* according to YOUR definitions! Legally seen, Englert has the older rights
  in Germany for the OTO.
S: If we recognize Englert as a X°, then what does that make Metzger?---
    K: The O.H.O.
S:---Also, didn't Metzger also appoint Englert OHO? If Englert is OHO, then
  what is Metzger? Didn't Englert "expel" Metzger? If Metzger sued Englert,
  wouldn't he have done everything in his power to remove any authority he had
  given Englert first? It's a complicated matter, isn't it? You think such a
  knot can be easily unravelled? Anyway, Englert doesn't appear to have any
  interest in dealing with us.
K: ...My opinion remains: If there is an OTO of some old-days-style: it is
  Metzger's. If there's a magickally functioning OTO: it is "Grant's". If
  there's a "loud" OTO: it is "yours". But none of them has a traditionally
  background in the sense of "succession documented with papers". I think that
  I keep the Reuss-Grand Lodge here in Switzerland out of the argument.
K:---By the way, that story that Heidrick is spreading about Montenegro being
  in Stein is completely false (Heidrick's letter to me, dated 18 November
  1987, which he quoted again in his Thelema Lodge Newsletter, February 1993).
  Montenegro was not sent on behalf OF ANYBODY: the Agape Lodge did not exist
  any longer, Montenegro was a IX* (as he told several times to Oscar Schlag),
  etc etc.
}}THE ORDER NEVER WAS IN ANY EMERGENCY.
S: Presumably you refer to McMurtry's justification to activate his letters of
  emergency authorization from Crowley. If so, then we must disagree again.
  Germer had failed to designate a successor.---
    K: Please see my "Materialien zum OTO", Sascha Germer appointing Motta
      first, then Metzger (several times). See her letter to her lawyers where
      she explicitly said that it was Karl Germer's (and also her) wish that
      Metzger takes over the office of OHO.
    S: What Sasha Germer did or _thought_ is rather unimportant to me.
      Germer's will stated that she was supposed to execute all OTO matters
      jointly with Mellinger, which didn't happen. If she and Mellinger had
      jointly designated either Metzger or Motta, then things would have been
      very different indeed.
S:---The Order was in a state of utter collapse in the U.S. The "Solar Lodge"
  affair had taken place. In McMurtry's eyes, Metzger and Grant were ready to
  tear the Order apart.---
    K: a) it does not matter what McMurtry believed (although he was aware of
      the facts, see his attempt to have the police to take away the archive
      from Sascha Germer in 1972, already!); b) this gives him NO rights to
      call all the X° together; c) he did not call together anybody!
    S: He did not have himself elected, he activated his letters of emergency
      authority from Crowley. It is very plain to me and many others that
      there was, indeed, an emergency.
    K: (He made new IX° to elect him chief)
    S: The IX°s made by McMurtry voted to elect his successor.
S:---Certainly, from McMurtry's point of view (though, evidently, not from
  yours), emergency action was warranted.
}}CROWLEY PREFERRED MELLINGER (TO MCMURTRY) AS HIS SUCCESSOR.
S: Possibly, but Mellinger never claimed Crowley's successorship.
K: He was not aware of McMurtry, only of Metzger. Germer closed Agape lodge in
  1957 [editorial correction: 1953] and never mentioned any (ex)member again.
  Therefore, for Mellinger only the European OTO existed.---
    S: Mellinger never claimed Germer's or Crowley's successorship. He never
      claimed to be OHO or Caliph. Stating that he had letters of emergency
      authorization from Crowley similar to McMurtry's is irrelevant, because
      there is no "Mellinger OTO."
    {{AFTERWORD, 1997: As S. previously himself remarked re. Kellner and the
      H.B.L., How do you know this for a fact? "Do you have access to the
      complete membership records for the [Mellinger OTO] in all its forms? Is
      every fact of history documented? If the documentation for something is
      lost or destroyed, does that mean that it never really happened? You can
      say there is a lack of substantiation; but you can't say positively that
      it didn't happen."!}}
K:---And why did McMurtry only become active AFTER Mellinger's death?
S: I believe that is explained in our history essay.
}}GERMER HELD A VERY LOW OPINION OF MCMURTRY AND CLOSED AGAPE LODGE IN 1957.
  [=1953.]
S: True, but Germer never expelled McMurtry or revoked any of his authority.
K: He maybe was not expelled (who knows, maybe McMurtry has destroyed the
  pertinent document when he had access to the archive while still living with
  Phyllis Seckler)---
    S: Wild, unjustified and unfair speculation. Why must you constantly
      impute the worst possible motives to these people?
K:---but certainly was considered non-existent as a member! How is it possible
  to expel a non-existing member from a non-existing order (in the US)?
S: Do you mean to say that the closure of Agape Lodge resulted in all U.S.
  members losing their membership?
{{AFTERWORD, 1997: Yes! If Germer WAS an OHO then this could perfectly well be
  construed as a political act saying he did not wish the U.S. OTO to
  continue! And Germer called the U.S. a "spiritual desert".}}
}}GERMER WAS AWARE THAT ANY REUSS OTO HAD MORE AUTHORITY THAN ANY CROWLEY
OTO---
S: More precisely, Germer was _under the false impression_ that Reuss charters
  held more weight than Crowley charters, because Yorke had misinformed him to
  that effect.
K: Proof to the contrary, please!
S: No, you show me something in the Constitution or other pertinent document
  which states that X° charters issued by one OHO have precedence over those
  issued by subsequent OHOs. I won't be convinced by a "thought argument."
K: What Yorke thought (Reuss' OTO superior to Crowley's breakaway)
S: This is a case where Yorke's unfounded opinion contributed to the
  subsequent behavior of Germer.
[Editorial note: see section in Part Three, "The Thought Argument", for wider
  discussion.]
{{AFTERWORD, 1997: The "Caliphate" are fond of stating that the reason why
  Germer never claimed to be the OHO was because Yorke "misinformed" Germer
  and thereby put him off. Whether Yorke was right or wrong in his view (and
  evidence seems to suggest he was right inasmuch as there was no question
  about Reuss being the OHO, whereas there was certainly at least a question
  mark over whether Crowley was fully entitled), it also begs the question as
  to WHY Germer, "OHO as he was", should allow himself to be so " misinformed"
  by Yorke, given that Yorke was not apparently even a member of the OTO or
  any aligned masonic body and Germer had over twenty years direct experience.
  Why are the "Caliphate" so keen to belittle Yorke's (valid) opinions? Surely
  as a senior OTO figure Germer was capable and experienced enough to make up
  his own mind by himself on these matters?}}
}}---AND SINCE METZGER APPEARED TO BE A REUSS OTO, GERMER GAVE ALL OVER TO
METZGER.
S: As you well know, Germer did not give "all over" to Metzger. Germer was
  never very sure of the exact nature of Metzger's claim to authority. He
  tentatively supported him at first, but later withdrew his support. Metzger
  later cajoled Sasha Germer into giving "all over" to him after Germer's
  death; in violation of Germer's Last Will and Testament.
K: Please see my "Materialien zum OTO".
}}RE GRANT: AN IX° CAN'T BE EXPELLED!
S: We disagree. A IX° can, most certainly, be expelled by an O.H.O. Grant
  wasn't made a IX° by Crowley or even by a X°, but by David Curwen, another
  IX°. Would it not be a rather ridiculous situation if any IX° could make any
  man on the street a IX°, and no IX° could ever be expelled from the Order?
K: Before the "Caliphate" invented/introduced (after the court case Motta vs
  Weiser, or so) that only possession of the "Emblems and Mode of Use" plus
  paying to the "Caliph" makes one a IX°---
    S: The dues rate for IX°, and all other degrees of O.T.O. and M.M.M., was
      published in The Equinox, Vol. III, No. 1, March 1919.
    {{AFTERWORD, 1997: But were never collected at all during Germer's
      "reign", and never strictly during Crowley's. Even Reuss complained to
      Crowley that he NEVER received his dues!}}
K:---it was custom to only ask "have you the IX°?". If the answer was "Yes",
  then the grade was "recognized". If the answer was "no", it wasn't. It seems
  that you don't know this!
S: I had heard that it was done in a manner similar to the way you describe it
  during a certain period of time at Agape Lodge; but according to Phyllis
  Seckler, there was a great deal of uncertainty about who possessed the IX°.
  Some "possessors" of the IX° were not considered entirely valid, and Germer
  did not recognize all of the ones that seem to have been recognized by Smith
  and others. It was certainly not done in such a haphazard way under Crowley
  or Reuss. Crowley's policy, as stated in his _Confessions_, was that the
  IX° "is never conferred upon anyone who has not already divined from
  previous indications the nature of the secret." So, knowledge of the secret
  was supposed to be one of the qualifications for IX°, not equivalent to
  possession of the IX°. Germer's own confusion about OTO matters probably led
  to the confusion about possession of the IX°.

POWERS OF THE IX°
K: Do IX° automatically have the right to initiate? (I always assumed they can
  only "recognize" another IX°)
S: There is some ambiguity here; and I don't think I will be able to give you
  a clear answer. I have seen no document clearly stating that the IX°
  automatically possess such powers. The way we operate now, those who do not
  have initiatory experience are not likely to ever reach IX° (through "us").
  According to Jim Graeb, there was an oral tradition that all IX° had the
  power to initiate, and that the IX° members had the duty to reconstitute the
  Order should there be a crisis of leadership. I am unaware of the origin of
  this oral tradition; though it may have some relation to the IX° "part
  proprietorship" of the Order specified in Liber 52 and the 1917
  Constitution. Although it is not documented by any papers issued prior to
  Germer's death, McMurtry indicated his awareness of it in the IX° charters
  he issued, by specifying that the IX* initiates were not to exercise their
  full initiatory powers until after his death.
K: Is this admitting that it is a purely "Caliphate" invention? ...Please give
  exact words!
S: I will try to get a copy of one of them. My information is from a phone
  conversation with a person who holds one of these charters.
{{AFTERWORD, 1997: It is certainly unfortunate that this "tradition" is "not
  documented by any papers prior to Germer's death", i.e. before 1962(!)}}
}}METZGER APPOINTED GABRIEL MONTENEGRO A X* FOR THE UNITED STATES: MONTENEGRO
HELD A LOW OPINION OF MCMURTRY.
S: We were aware that Montenegro did not support McMurtry. I was unable to
  find any documentation for this X°.
K: Maybe YOU don't know but only because it does not exist in your archive or
  in your "official statement" it does not wipe the facts out of reality.
S: Are you trying to convince me with this? The documentation of Montenegro's
  alleged X° is not even in your book.
...
K: By the way: If Montenegro is accepted and respected as a "Caliphate" elder
  stateman figure: how about his X°-ship via Metzger? What about his (and HP
  Smith's) negative opinion of McMurtry's claims. Is HPS allowed to revise her
  opinion (as Seckler) or is it allowed to stand firm (as Traenker's or
  Jones's)?
S: The circumstances were different. The Montenegro/Smith letter you published
  was written while K. Germer was still alive. H. Smith recognized McMurtry's
  authorizations from Crowley in 1969.
K: I've been told otherwise! And you did not answer my questions. By the way
  there is substantiated proof that H.P. Smith changes her opinion/memories as
  the wind goes.
{{AFTERWORD, 1997: That 1960 Montenegro/Smith letter discussed AND SUMMARILY
  DISMISSED the idea of McMurtry becoming the next "Caliph". Also where has
  H.P. Smith since then ever "recognized McMurtry's authorizations" in any way
  other than humouring him in the absence of anything better - and where is
  there anything in writing from her to him to that effect (i.e., giving him
  as the "de facto O.H.O." her unequivocal support?)}}
}}YES, METZGER WAS ELECTED BY HIS OWN IX°, BUT MCMURTRY NEITHER WAS ELECTED
NOR ANYTHING ELSE.---
S: There is no need to reiterate our claim with respect to McMurtry here.
  ...However, it should also be pointed out that McMurtry was the last
  surviving administrative and governing-level officer of O.T.O. under Crowley
  and Germer (Sovereign Grand Inspector General and IX°, both directly from
  Crowley's hand) who had any interest in claiming O.T.O. leadership.---
    K: How about Grant and Symonds (under Crowley and Germer — see Heidrick's
      approval that Germer's expulsion of Grant only was "professed", Heidrick
      to Symonds, 9 September 1985)?
    S: I am looking at a letter from Bill H. to Grant of that date, and I see
      no such language. The expulsion is referred to as a fact. Grant had been
      expelled, period.---
        K:... Heidrick's letter to Grant INDEED makes use of the term
          "professed". See my "Materialien", 233.
        K:---How about Crowley's wish of a" complete change of an order" that
          manifests only in Grant's OTO?---
        S: See my previous comments on this matter.
        K:---What about Motta in Sascha Germer's letter "You are the
          Follower"? (Here we have another example of the
          "think/believe"argument: Motta believed/thought he was the OHO)?---
        S: Show me a document signed by either Crowley or Germer appointing
          Motta to_any_ position of authority, or even conditional authority,
          within O.T.O.
        {{AFTERWORD, 1997: Ditto with Reuss concerning the appointment of
          Crowley to O.H.O., as so claimed!!}}
    S:---Symonds had never been an O.T.O. member or even claimed such.
    {{APPENDIX, 1997: Obviously Scriven denies the fact that John Symonds is
      the Assistant Treasurer of Crowley's OTO, which fact was published in a
      flyer to OLLA, in 1944.}}
S:---[McMurtry] was, for all intents and purposes, the ranking surviving
  member of the Crowley/Germer O.T.O. administration who was capable and
  willing to hold office.---
    K: NO! Only your words. How about Grant and Symonds [see earlier remark]
    S: I stand by them, until you can give me something better than you have
      so far.
S:---The point of our statement about Metzger's election was that he was aware
  of the existence of other IX* members in the U.S.,---
    K: This is untrue. Show me a document that says that Metzger was aware of
      any IX° or X° outside Europe! Please send a paper copy!
    S: What about Mellinger?
    [Editorial note: see earlier discussion in "THE EMERGENCY".]
S:---but he failed to notify them of his upcoming election.---
    K: And so did McMurtry: NONE of the surviving members of Agape Lodge or
      outside the US wanted McMurtry, therefore he quickly made several IX*
      who voted him the day after. Metzger, at least, had the decency to get
      elected by long-standing IX°s and not IX°-made-overnights.
    S: The Caliphate was not based on an election.
S:---He based his claim to the office of O.H.O., world-wide head of O.T.O., on
  an election; but it was not a world-wide election.---
    K: Neither was McMurtry's
S:---His election would have been appropriate for a national head, because it
  was a national election. McMurtry's claim was not based on election but on
  administrative authorization and appointment.
K: Maybe in some new made statutes.
S: Crowley's letters.
}}---AND WHAT OF BREEZE?: HE ALSO WAS ELECTED ONLY BY HIS OWN IX°---
S: He assumed office of X° and Caliph, or de-facto O.H.O., in accordance with
  the procedure designated in McMurtry's last will and testament. As such, he
  is McMurtry's legitimate successor.
K: Maybe in some new made statutes. Can a "Caliph" (who is NOT OHO) make
  someone OHO by Last Will and Testament? Can a X° be given over in a
  Testament?
S: The Caliph is, in our terminology, the "de facto" or "acting" OHO, who is
  to serve as such until a "de jure" OHO can be elected. The Caliph designates
  his or her successor as Caliph in the manner of his or her choosing; and
  now, in accordance with our provisions for this in our Bylaws. We operate
  according to our Bylaws, which are based primarily on Liber 194 and the 1917
  Constitution. The Bylaws were adopted by the Areopagus, which includes the
  surviving members of Agape Lodge. All amendments of the Bylaws must be
  approved by the same body, and have, to date, been so approved. Our Bylaws
  allow the de facto OHO to appoint X°s. I do not expect you to accept this
  explanation, but I don't see any point in arguing it further.
[Editorial note: see later section, "The Electoral Legacy of Grady McMurtry"
  in Part Five, for further discussion.]
{{AFTERWORD, 1997: And where might the "Caliphate"'s "Frater Superior" fit
  into all of this - as the exact equivalent of "Caliph"? In which case, why
  does Breeze NOW prefer to call himself the former rather than the latter"?}}
K: How does the "Caliphate" make a X°? How are YOU made a X°?---

X° KINGDOMS AND NATIONHOOD
K:---Nationalism. What makes the nation? Of what are YOU a X°? Of the
  English-SPEAKING countries? Or is it a geographical territory? Or a
  political? Or do you assume following definition of a nation: "those belong
  to a nation who WANT to belong to a nation"?
S: I don't understand what nationalism has to do with us. To answer your
  questions, my jurisdictional boundaries correspond exactly to those of the
  U.S.A. This was done because it is a _practical_ way to do it. I don't
  consider my jurisdiction in O.T.O. to be a "nation" or "ethnos." It is not
  something that one can be born into, one must seek it out and enter into it
  as an act of will.
K: This is contradictory to Heidrick who says that to apply for it is not to
  "receive" it.
S: I don't think it's contradictory. The "act of will" is necessary, but not
  sufficient, to become a member.
K: You wrote that you were not born into the X° but "must seek it out".
S: I did _not_ write that. What I wrote was this: "I don't consider my
  jurisdiction in O.T.O. to be a `nation' or `ethnos.' It is not something
  that one can be born into, one must seek it out and enter into it as an act
  of will." The "it" that one cannot be born into is the O.T.O. organization.
  My meaning was that O.T.O. is a membership organization which must be joined
  intentionally; and not a nation or ethnos into which one is born.
{{AFTERWORD, 1997: The meaning is ambiguous - "it" could equally well refer to
  S's jurisdiction in OTO - i.e., to Kingship or X°.}}
K: Does it mean you had to personally petition Breeze for the Ninth or the
  Tenth degree?
S: I made no such petition.
K: So then, please explain your definition of the office of X°. With all
  details. In this context I'd like to learn more about Breeze's recent note
  in a Link where he mentioned (in a footnote) some earlier Reuss' Xth for
  Sweden, Spain and Italy. Can you tell me his source, please? Or does he
  equate 96° with X°? [And] Is there a King (X°) without a Kingdom?
{{AFTERWORD, 1997: Not answered.}}
K: ...By the way, do you have the X° initiation ritual? I published some grips
  and signs and a magical seal in my "Kleiner Theodor Reuss Reader". I also
  remember having seen in Crowley's hand a "IX° secret paper" with some funny
  X° costumes.
S: I was installed ceremonially. I have your materials, as well as the funny
  costume paper. [Editorial note: see "How to Make your Own McOTO", page 138.]
K: Coming back to your X°-installment. Did "you" use those Reuss-X°grips, etc.
  that I have published? Or did "you" use a new ritual?
S: H.B. wrote an original ritual for the occasion.
}}---WHILE AN OHO ONLY CAN BE ELECTED BY THE X°---
S:  The O.H.O. is designated by his predecessor.---
    {{AFTERWORD, 1997: NOT, let it be noted carefully, his predecessor's
      predecessor. In other words: Crowley could not have "designated" Grady
      McMurtry, for example.}}
S:---Election is required only for disputed succession.---
    {{AFTERWORD, 1997: In which case therefore, in view of his own election,
      is Breeze's succession "disputed" by the "Caliphate"?}}
S:---We fully intend to conduct an election for the de-jure O.H.O. when the
  time is right.---
    K: Why is it YOU who conduct an election?
    S: Who else?
    K: WHEN is the time right?
    S: Not before there are five X°.
    K: When will the election of OHO by Xth degrees be held? Will it be during
      our lifetime?
    S: I don't know.
    {{AFTERWORD, 1997: This answer is astonishing given the insinuation of
      Heidrick and others in c. 1978 that the election was to be fairly
      imminent!}}
    K: Why does the "Caliphate" need to make five X° in order to elect himself
      an own OHO? Why five? Why not accept the vote of all those other still
      living X° (e.g. Grant, Toca, or Fraeulein Aeschbach, or Motta's
      successors, or or or or)?
    S: The number five was, I believe, established by the voting members when
      the Bylaws were written. They do not need to be X° made by the Caliph.
      Any individual who can demonstrate a legitimate claim to X° from Reuss,
      Crowley or Germer would also be eligible. We will also consider others
      who have less definite credentials, if they are capable and willing to
      work with us. We have discussed Fraeulein Aeschbach, she has been
      invited to vote; I believe she has declined. As for the others, Grant
      and Toca already consider themselves OHO. Motta's successors despise us
      more than you do, and will have nothing to do with us. The OTO of Grant,
      Toca and Motta bear very little resemblance, other than the name, to
      what we are doing.---
    {{AFTERWORD, 1997: What ARE "you" doing, apart that is from charging money
      for initiations/annual membership fees and publishing books?}}
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{{APPENDIX, 1997:
From: James Eshelman to Paul Joseph Rovelli
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 1997 4:08 PM
J.A. Eshelman, ex-Vice-Caliph, about William Breeze publishing Crowley books:
"I believe their point of view — at least that of H.B., though I doubt he
would ever admit it in words resembling these — is that he is willing to
sacrifice the spiritual development of the present generation (since it's
impossible to reform the post-Grady version of the Order anyway) in order to
lay the best foundation for the spiritual growth of humanity for the next
couple of thousand years."}}
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    S:---As I mentioned before, it would be very difficult to reconcile any of
      their systems with ours.
S:---We have met with Soror Chokhmah of the Swiss O.T.O., and she is fully
  aware of our intentions. She has been invited---
    K: Why do YOU invite?
    S: Who else?
S:---to participate in the election---
    K: Why SHE? Metzger did not leave neither written Last Will nor an oral
      designation of successor. Is she a X°? Made by what?
    S: She is viewed by the remaining members of her organization as its
      leader.
S:---if she so chooses. If we can find any other individuals who can produce
  papers demonstrating a legitimate claim to the X° of O.T.O. from the hand of
  an OHO (Reuss, Crowley or Germer),---
    K: Can she? As I showed, the Reuss charter to Hofmann and Linke (please
      note he correct spelling!) dated 1918 was a fake made by Metzger.
    S: Do you believe _anyone_ can?
S:---we will also invite them to participate. We have always been willing to
  recognize any authority in O.T.O. when the claimant can produce valid and
  legitimate documentation. ...At this time, we have established very friendly
  relations with Soror Chokhmah and her associates, and hope to work closely
  with them in the future.
K: This is hard to believe (because they said a lot in the past) and I will
  check that soon.
{{AFTERWORD, 1997: S's words re. Soror Chokmah being one "other" legitimate X°
  REMAIN UNSUBSTANTIATED. Motta was viewed by the remaining members of his
  organization as its leader, also, yet he was never credited with being a X°
  by the "Caliphate"! As with access to their archive, is recognition now
  dependent on how "friendly" individuals are to the "Caliphate", rather than
  any other criteria?}}
S: I hope you will refrain from misrepresenting my statements to them.
  "Friendly relations" means nothing more than precisely that at this time. We
  have made no agreements, and there are significant differences between our
  systems.
K: Re Fraeulein Aeschbach and your alleged "friendly contacts": I have checked
  that and am really amused ...
S: What an unfriendly and annoying thing for you to say.
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{{APPENDIX, 1997: Bill Heidrick's comment and reaction to the Swiss OTO: "They
  were doing fine just last year. Nice place, attentive membership, all of
  that. I do have the impression that they don't like lime-light or quite as
  much fuss as we experience. Basically good people. Metzger's successor is a
  venerable and sociable older soror. The younger members seem well balanced.
  ... If you contact them, don't mention me initially. It would complicate
  things if there was a confusion." [sic!]
  Also very interesting: Heidrick in 1997:
  "Present rule is that HOOR membership is not a bar to OTO membership, at
  least through the Man of Earth degrees — that gives three years to see if
  the two organizations can continue to avoid juristdictional problems.
  Incidentally, BOTA or AMORC membership is not a bar to any degree of OTO
  membership, although BOTA bans OTO members from holding office in BOTA and
  AMORC has occasionally also imposed internal restrictions. SOTO and TOTO
  membership is a bar to OTO membership, at present; but membership in the
  Swiss OTO claimant group does not bar OTO membership under Hymenaeus
  Beta."}} (from correspondence between Heidrick and Jason Carpenter
  )
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K: Why do you want/need Fraeulein Aeschbach as Xth? (you mentioned her several
  times in that context! Although you told me, Sabazius, that Breeze did not
  formal judge over Metzger: this is untrue: he officially denied Metzger's
  Xth in a M.Link.
S: I was not able to find such a formal denial. He affirmed in a recent e-mail
  to me that I was right in stating that he is withholding judgment on whether
  Metzger was a X°.
K: So please explain to me why the formal denial of Metzger's X° in the
  Magical Link Vol IV;2 suddenly is not formal any longer? And how's about
  Thelema Lodge Newsletter February 1993? — For my taste, there are a little
  bit too many factual "errors" in the Link. It smells of "propagandistic
  manipulation".
{{AFTERWORD, 1997: The Link passage in question expressing formal denial
  (author: Breeze) reads: "There is no evidence in Germer's correspondence
  file with Metzger at Grand Lodge that the Metzger group was accorded
  national sovereignty by appointment of National Grand Master General of
  Switzerland." (Summer 1990, page 9.) There is also the Winter 1990 number
  (Vol. 3, no. 4, p.28) where Breeze states: "In a future issue of the Link or
  the Oriflamme I will publish the relevant documents, but for the present it
  is sufficient to state that Metzger's group was a provincial one (Crowley's
  term, not mine) much like Agape Lodge in California. I've not seen proof
  that Metzger was Swiss National Grand Master General _ad vitam_, let alone
  OHO. If he were, one would think some hint of it would survive in Germer's
  correspondence with Germer."}}
}}GIVE ME THE SOURCE THAT MELLINGER SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE SUPERIOR OF
METZGER!---
S: He was deputized by Germer, who was O.H.O., to oversee Metzger's
  regularization. He was acting as Germer's duly authorized agent.
K: Please send a document. Until when was Mellinger deputized? Also after the
  quarrel between Germer and Mellinger?
S: This is irrelevant if Metzger was not a genuine Reuss Head. Nevertheless, I
  have changed the word "superior" to the word "mentor," which is perhaps more
  accurate.
{{AFTERWORD, 1997: But not if he really WAS Germer's "duly authorized" agent
  and deputy: then Mellinger WOULD have been his superior in the Crowley-OTO!
  (So why the turnaround?)}}
}}---METZGER WAS HIS OWN SUPERIOR SINCE HE WAS A REUSS HEAD.
S: As you well know, Metzger was never chartered by Reuss; the two never met
  or corresponded. Your own article in _Theosophical History_ (Vol. V, No.1)
  would not give anyone the impression that Metzger was a legitimate "Reuss
  Head." Even if Metzger had been a legitimate X°, Germer, as O.H.O. (despite
  his personal misgivings), would have had absolute authority over him.
  Metzger himself acknowledged Germer's authority over him by acknowledging
  Germer as being the legitimate O.H.O., which he did a number of t imes.
K: Metzger is no "real" OTO as you are no "real" OTO. As Metzger dozens of
  times told to several witnesses: he only ingratiated himself with Germer in
  order to get the copyrights. When one knew Metzger's personality it is hard
  to believe that he accepted anyone as his superior except himself.
S: He acknowledged Germer as OHO in his correspondence and publications; in
  particular, in his announcement of Germer's death and of his own election.
  It doesn't matter what he "thought."
[Editorial note: see section "The Thought Argument" in Part Three.]
}}_NONE_ OF THE SURVIVING MEMBERS OF THE AGAPE LODGE WANTED MCMURTRY (EXCEPT
SECKLER).
S: They were all duly notified and invited to participate, however, which was
  the point of the statement.---
    K: a) not all have been invited, b) no one came, c) no one accepted
      (except Seckler for a while, but as she admitted in several letters to
      G.M Kelly: "this is not the real OTO ... McMurtry gives out false and
      phony documents".)
    S: Phyllis and Grady were, as you know, married at one time. After they
      cooperatively reactivated O.T.O. using Grady's papers and status as the
      last remaining officer of the CrowlcMurtry's "Caliphate", for instance??!}}
    S:---Phyllis Seckler has long been a very strong supporter of ours.
S:---Despite her initial opposition alongside Montenegro, Soror Grimaud has
  supported us (from a certain distance) for many years now.
    K: What is this: "certain distance"?
    S: Soror Grimaud's main interests lie elsewhere. She generally prefers to
      keep to herself, and maintains light contact with only a few of us.
      However, she actively participated in the election of Grady's successor,
      and she continues to offer her advice to us on issues she deems
      important. She served as one of the officers in an O.T.O. initiation I
      took in 1992.

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