Ordo Templi Orientis
in Canada, I
DO THE MOOSEJUMP
REACTIONS ON THE FIRST PUBLICATION OF THE MOOSEBUMP MATERIAL
(certified copies may be obtained for a small fee from the government just quote the document number below). Dissolution date: 4 May 2001 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2001-07-05 L'INSPECTEUR GÉNÉRAL DES INSTITUTIONS FINANCIÈRES R-PU-U03-1 SYSTÈME CIDREQ ÉTAT DES INFORMATIONS SUR UNE PERSONNE MORALE INFORMATIONS GÉNÉRALES ====================== MATRICULE: 1142538645 NOM: ORDRE DU TEMPLE D'ORIENT (O.T.O.) IMMATRICULATION : 1995-02-13 FORMATION : 1981-08-03 CONSTITUTION LOCALITÉ : QUÉBEC DERN DÉCL ANNL : 1998-12-15 1998 DEMANDE DISS/LIQ EN COURS: NON MAJ ÉTAT INFO : 2001-05-04 TRANCHE EMPLOYÉS: ENTRE 1 ET 5 CESSATION PRÉVUE: CONTINUAT: TRANSFORM: STATUT IMMATR : RO RADIÉ D'OFFICE 2001-05-04 RÉSULTANTE : FORME JURDQ : APE ASSOCIATION PERSONNIFIÉE ADRESSE DOMICILE: XXXXX CODE POSTAL: H7W 4K1 LAVAL QC RÉG. CONSTITUTIF: 023 LOI SUR LES COMPAGNIES PARTIE 3 RÉG. COURANT : 023 LOI SUR LES COMPAGNIES PARTIE 3 ACTIVITÉS ÉCONOMIQUES ===================== 9811 ORGANISATION RELIGIEUSES ADRESSE POSTALE =============== DESTINATAIRE : ADRESSE : CP 313 CODE POSTAL: H7W 4T2 LAVAL QC PERSONNES LIÉES =============== PERSONNES MANQUANTES: NON NOM ET ADRESSE CODE POSTAL DÉTAIL PERSONNE ====================================== =========== ==================== POOLE, DAVID ADMINISTRATEUR PRÉSIDENT XXX H7W 4K1 LAVAL QC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CARDINAL, JASON ADMINISTRATEUR SECRÉTAIRE 3620, PARÉ APP 6 J3Y 4S2 ST-HUBERT QC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LENTO, WILLIAM ADMINISTRATEUR SECRÉTAIRE TRÉSORIER 6040, LANGUEDOC H1M 3C9 MONTRÉAL QC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MO****, EMERY ADMINISTRATEUR TRÉSORIER *** *** [address removed upon request] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ NOMS DE L'ASSUJETTI =================== DATE MAJ INDEX DES NOMS: 2001-05-04 NOM DE L'ASSUJETTI DATE DÉBUT DATE FIN STATUT ====================================== ========== ========== ========== ORDRE DU TEMPLE D'ORIENT 1981-08-03 2001-05-04 EN VIGUEUR (O.T.O.) DOCUMENTS MICROFILMÉS ===================== DATE MAJ INDEX DOCUMENTS: 2001-05-04 TYPE DOCUMENTS DATE CAST IMAGE ===================================================== ========== ===== ======= 62 RADIATION D'OFFICE 2001-05-04 4803 38 029 81 AVIS DE DÉFAUT (art. 29) 2000-05-25 4483 99 025 198 DÉCLARATION ANNUELLE 1998 1998-12-15 0 000 197 DÉCLARATION ANNUELLE 1997 1998-01-21 3413 36 050 197 DÉCLARATION ANNUELLE 1997 1998-01-21 0 000 196 DÉCLARATION ANNUELLE 1996 1997-03-25 3175 40 033 195 DÉCLARATION ANNUELLE 1995 1995-12-11 2823 34 004 94 DÉCLARATION D'IMMATRICULATION 1995-02-13 2617 8 021 AUTRES NOMS =========== DATE MAJ INDEX DES NOMS: 2001-05-04 NOM DATE DÉBUT DATE FIN STATUT ====================================== ========== ========== ========== ORDER OF ORIENTAL TEMPLARS 1995-02-13 2001-05-04 ANTÉRIEUR ANCIENT ORDER OF ORIENTAL TEMPLARS 1995-02-13 2001-05-04 ANTÉRIEUR ORDO TEMPLI ORIENTIS 1995-02-13 2001-05-04 ANTÉRIEUR Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 From: Leah Subject: [montreal_magick] Montreal/Canada occult history Poole had started up a few groups about ten days ago, I joined the groups as "oto_canada" and posted the below information about the Moose website. Thought you would like to see this, maybe join the groups? They are this one, https://groups.yahoo.com/group/montreal_magick, also: https://groups.yahoo.com/group/Agape-Montreal and https://groups.yahoo.com/group/phoenixlodge you might want to see Poole's "response" to his part in your website? bound to be interesting...and entertaining.... also we left the last AT last week (Jeroen took it over) and started a new one, I will add you to that one, so you can webread there. https://groups.yahoo.com/group/aiwazthelhma >From: "oto_canada" [Leah] >Hello cybercitizens, >The Canadian section of Peter R. Koenig's website is up and accessible >at this link:... Adam Chaney [holder of the Domaine name phoenixlodge.org] In montreal_magick@y..., "Adam ."MORE ON ADAM CHANEY
From AGAPE-MONTREAL@y... Osiris Onnophris: I have no idea who any of you all are. Chaney: My name is Adam, I recently moved here from Texas, I don't speak French, and I'm here on a job contract lasting approx. 6 months, maybe more. [...] I've only been in Montreal 3 weeks. I don't know many people, but I'm trying to meet as many of you as I can. Osiris Onnophris: Why are you all interested in building this Phoenix Lodge? Chaney: Phoenix Lodge has been around a LONG time. It's simply been dormant for a while. Mostly, I have nothing better to do with myself, so I've convinced the Lodgemaster that the lodge should become active again. What that means and what we do are entirely up to you. Any group is a reflection of its members. YOU are its members and potential members. YOU have the power to shape the future of the OTO in Montreal. (But that's not to say that some of us won't try real hard to keep someone from destroying it.) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 From: Leah To: koenig(at)cyberlink.ch, oto_canada@yahoo.ca Subject: Fwd: Re: [Agape-Montreal] Purpose AHA! Rebuilding Phoenix Lodge — with the help of a Texas OTO member, IN Montreal. Wonder if he is here legally? BTW, the Province of Quebec is 80% francophone, and they have a LAW [la Loi 101] that the working language has to be French, and yet this person says he knows no French, thereby it is absurd that he would have "a contract" here. Unless there were something highly irregular about it (like under the table, or with an extremely small company, something with less than I think 50 employees can hire anglophones, but not in positions dealing with the public AT ALL). Domain Name.......... phoenixlodge.org Creation Date........ 2002-03-05 Registration Date.... 2002-03-05 Expiry Date.......... 2003-03-05 Organisation Name.... Adam Chaney Organisation Address. 2175 boul. de Maisonneuve Organisation Address. Montreal Organisation Address. H3H 1L5 Organisation Address. QC Organisation Address. CANADA Admin Name........... Adam Chaney Admin Address........ 2175 boul. de Maisonneuve Admin Address........ Montreal Admin Address........ H3H 1L5 Admin Address........ QC Admin Address........ CANADA Admin Email.......... info@PhoenixLodge.org Admin Phone.......... 514-935-9052 Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 To: David Poole From: Leah Cc: koenig(at)cyberlink.ch, aiwazthelhma@yahoogroups.com, aiwazthelhmafiles@yahoogroups.com Dear David, Scarabaeus887ca, As you say, long time no hear. I think you might want to review the posts at: https://groups.yahoo.com/group/aiwazthelhma some of which come from the "Agape-Montreal" list, seems I have been banned from posting to the list. Also I would like to advise you that in the past I have received death threats originating from Texas, from a Caliphate member. I also have received death threats from a Montreal Caliphate member. Another Caliphate member recently published my (supposed) home address on an elist, and yet another Caliphate member stated that I might get a "visit" soon. For this reason I would like to inquire, what kind of "contract" exactly does this Texas Caliphate member on your list (living in your home?) have? How is he able to work in the Province of Quebec as an American unilingual anglophone? Legally I mean. I also assure you that, unlike in the past where I regrettably did not go to the police myself (when I was assaulted by a Caliphate member, and afterwards when Breeze asked this person to violate the conditions of his release), the "proper authorities" have been contacted to ensure my protection. If you are not involved in anything unseeming, obviously, you have nothing to worry about. But I thought you should know my position on this matter. ALL will be forwarded to the proper authorities. I know you David, I also know your wife, and one of your children was conceived on the land I lived on in Ste. Jovite. What exactly are you involving yourself in, here David? What assurances can you give that you KNOW what you are doing? I have never had any ill will towards you. My suggestions in re illegal activities, and in re destructive behaviours, and my eventually cutting ties with you were only designed to help you realise the behaviours were not only self-destructive, but destructive to the people around you who you loved and who loved you, not even to mention your responsibilities as a father and husband. In the end however, I realised I could only help you, if at all, by walking away; I did not care to join you in those activities either, but I never hid that fact. I do not, in light of the threats in the past from Caliphate members, normally receive correspondence from any Caliphate members. I would like this to continue. Therefore any reply to this that you have should be posted to the group https://groups.yahoo.com/group/aiwazthelhma I will send you an invitation. Do NOT reply to my personal email address, thank you. I also by preference, since I was never a member of the publicly registered OTO, Inc., as I am sure you know, do not use my legal name on the list(s). So please do not use it, thank you. love is the only law, satyra Sr. Aristha cc: various, including Sabazius/David Scriven (mais oui, bien sûr!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a copy for your files. Do you care to comment if actions such as these (i.e. below-mentioned threats, publication of personal information on elists, etc.) are resonant with official cOTO policy? I believe some of these people are your bodymasters and other "chartered" cOTO representatives. The person this is addressed to: Scarabeus887, David Poole, Phoenix Lodge (under "International" jurisdiction, not USA, but he may be misadvised concerning this.) all other correspondence relating to this matter will be posted to the egroup listed below, where you can review it without joining the group, since the archives are open. any response you have, or clarification regarding this matter may be posted there as well. Sr. Aristha cc: prkoenig, various Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 From: Leah To: koenig(at)cyberlink.ch, oto_canada@yahoo.ca Chaney says the following, to the cOTO group in Dallas. Notice how he called the cOTO group in Montreal "my" group, and not "David's" group, the twin, AGAPE-MONTREAL. ???? Something fishy there. Looks like we are both banned. [forwarded]: In AGAPE-DALLAS@y..., Adam Chaney wrote: I banned Koenig and Leah from my group, so now their all pissed off about being 'censored'. Excuse me while I cry for them. In AGAPE-DALLAS@y..., Hawke Chylde / hchylde@y... answered: Boo-fucking hoo like koenig's never beened banned from anything before. Watch him... he has more than one email. In AGAPE-DALLAS@y..., enotis93 commented: I was wondering why koenig didnt respond to my question. In AGAPE-DALLAS@y..., Adam Chaney added some psychological propaganda: Phoenix Lodge responded to my request for information about the OTO activities in Montreal by sending me a phone number where the lodge master could be contacted. I called the number and David asked me to come and visit him at his metaphysical store in Laval (about 15 minutes away). I went and we spent the entire afternoon talking about the situation. Apparently, there used to be a thriving OTO community here until about 5 years ago when the petty BS that always happens in magickal groups finally got the best of the lodge and it imploded. Since then, things have been virtually inactive. There are no scheduled events of any kind and it seems that there hasn't been for quite some time. I told him that I am incapable of sitting around and doing nothing and that if the OTO isn't doing anything here, then I'll start my own magickal study group. In response, he told me that since no one is doing anything with the lodge now, I can start a group under the auspices of Phoenix Lodge. Furthermore, he says if I can actually do the kinds of things I talk about, he'll make me deputy lodge master. My response? "Sweeeet!". OK, so now I need some Maeven energy to get something going over here. Here's the situation. The OTO has a bad reputation here (big shock) and there's about 3 potentially active members and a somewhat disheatened 15 year veteran lodge master. First order of business. Yahoo groups. There is now an 'Agape- Montreal' Yahoo group (imitation is the sincerest form of flattery). I also created a private group called 'phoenixlodge' for any OTO members we can dig up who are sympathetic to our cause. Now comes the spam. I would greatly appreciate it if you would all join the Agape-Montreal group so I can look like I have members. Yeah, I know it sounds lame, but it's a psycological thing. People don't want to join a group with only 3 members and besides you can set it to 'web-only' and forget about it. If for some masochistic reason you actually care about what's going on over here, I'll approve you for the phoenixlodge list also (assuming you're an OTO member in good standing). Here are the URL's to make life easy: https://groups.yahoo.com/group/agape-montreal https://groups.yahoo.com/group/phoenixlodge Next point, web page. Any chance of getting some server space so we could be cool like Bubastis and have our own domain? For those who aren't aware, last year the elector ninths of OTO-USA decided to dissolve the EGC. The only real effect of this is some paperwork changes. The EGC is no longer its own legal entity in the USA, it's now just a service of the OTO. I think I just found out why they did that. [Story time] One fine day, a dues-paying member of Pheonix Lodge in good standing decides he's going to be a Cardinal of the EGC. He proceeds to somehow ordain himself and then declares himself the head of EGC-Canada. Next, he files for non-profit status with claims to the copyrights on all EGC material, most notably, the Gnostic Mass. Then he forbids anyone outside of his organization to use HIS rituals. And he got away with it. So now the EGC is a private non-profit organization in Canada and there's nothing the OTO can do about it. So now, if we perform the Gnostic Mass, he can sue us and win! Now ain't that some shit! In AGAPE-DALLAS@y..., "bishop" www.kindredx.net wrote: The EGC has merely been the ecclesiastical arm of the Order; it's separate legal entity being dissolved years ago if memory serves me right. Currently, as a fraternal religious organization, O.T.O. already holds the copyrights to _Liber XV_ as well as embodies the EGC by default. Such nonsense is nothing that would affect the utilization of it by the Order. Besides, _Liber XV_ is a current degree ritual as well and already protected by the Order's current copyright holdings. This story has been around a long while and the individual concerned has a proven track record of malice against the Order. I am not a Canadian legal expert, but from what little I know, any court in which he decided to take up such a claim would most likely reverse his claim due to such issues. In AGAPE-DALLAS..., azag93 reacted on Sunday, February 24: Never heard anything about it. Anyone else know anything about the EGC no longer being a legal entity? Man, that completely destroys any prison ministry group the had. Has somebody notified our Bishop? Isn't he the head of that thing? Man, so, what, no more gnostic masses anymore? Whatever happened to the international copyright law prohibiting the duplicataion of copyrights? In AGAPE-DALLAS@y..., Hawke Chylde wrote: The EGC performs Gnostic Mass in prisons and provides reading materials. The EGC is not defunct in any fashion it is the primary social organ within the OTO as well as our eucharist ritual. The EGC is now a part of the OTO instead of a seperate entity as it was for a short time. What I've heard about this is that Grady found it expedient to have them seperate, but H.B. worked to have them together. Now they are one thing as the mass is part of the OTO. In AGAPE-DALLAS..., John Fenwick wrote: I'm curious to know how the E.G.C. could have ever provided a prison ministry. What does this mean? Does the E.G.C. teach some sort of doctrine that can be communicated by way of a ministry? Sabazius is the Primate of the E.G.C. within the U.S.A.LEAH SPECULATES
Leah: "This guy Adam seems to be up here trying to get a Mass team together (??). Curiously enough, Rodney Orpheus [isn't he important in some way in the international hierarchy?], according to his own "live journal" visited Texas just shortly before Adam-from-Texas arrived here... curiouser and curiouser.All the above is just ramblings and speculation on my part, but what Poole wrote raises a lot of questions about more "whitewash" LOL!
I have a feeling the Caliphate "wants" Canada very badly....just a hunch..." Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 To: aiwazthelhma@yahoogroups.com From: Leah Subject: Re: [aiwazthelhma] Fwd: Re: [Agape-Montreal] Purpose Cc: koenig(at)cyberlink.ch, scarabaeus887ca@yahoo.com, sabazius@oto-usa.org Dear Scarlet, I also admit I may have made a rather hasty judgment of Adam/adeptus93, but that was based on a few things, not the least of which was that he banned me from the elist after posting a link (nothing else, just a link) to Peter R. Koenig's site, and that posting was under the nick oto_canada, he then gloated on another list that he had "banned Koenig and Leah" from "his" elist. Oh yeh, he also said on the elist I was committing "fraud" after he banned me because of the nick. The only way he could have known that "Leah" and "oto_canada" were the same person is because of some rumours and gossip in the community. Quite frankly I am really fed up with that sort of thing, where no one comes to me to ask me if "such and such" is true or not, and where certain elements have set out to destroy my reputation, harrass, and terrorise me IN the community to ensure that I feel nowhere near safe being in a public place and that especially means in the supposedly loving, caring so-called "fluffy" Pagan Community. Part of the reason the link was posted was so that it could be reviewed for inaccuracies, another because it is a research on OTO, and people would be well advised to inform themselves before joining. That's not what this is really all about, however. IMHO The Caliphate does not want to make any honest effort to see that what they are calling "inaccuracies" are corrected, they do not want ANYone reading any of the material on that site. It is for that, really, I believe I was banned as well. Censorship, and harrassment of what they perceive as "critics" and what they call "disgruntled ex-members" (a word recently used by Poole) are well-known hallmarks of cults, not the occult. Cult members tend to see things only in black and white, "you are with us or you are agin' us" type of thinking. It is not logical. Poole had a huge role in giving information to Peter Koenig, does it follow that he is a "disgruntled ex-member"? If his words were indeed twisted, then why does he not say exactly where? — not to Caliphate OTO members of an elist, but to Peter Koenig himself? Why is he not taking the opportunity to see that the record is corrected? Anyway I did communicate to many of the individuals on the list off-list, that they should email Peter Koenig koenig(at)cyberlink.ch with any corrections to the "numerous" inaccuracies they saw, hopefully they will do so. Unfortunately when I sent those off-list emails, I did not know that the whole Agape-Montreal list is "stacked" with Caliphate members from Texas, besides people I actually know (which is yourself and about four others). [and yes I can "prove" this, in fact I will do so very shortly]. So in retrospect it seems pretty silly that I sent emails to Caliphate members from Texas, unbeknownst to me at the time, asking them to helpcorrect the website about the Canadian history of the Caliphate OTO. duuuh, silly me! However hopefully those who live here and were around at that time will respond by sending their corrections to Peter Koenig. That is a total of three people (Poole, Hoirch, and Straw). Anything I contributed to the website, by the way, was reviewed by at least one high-ranking member of the Caliphate OTO, and hmmmm it is speculation on my part as to who that is..... but anyway everything I contributed was also reviewed by David Poole, and probably indirectly by Robert Deumié, who both were Lodge Masters (though I left before Poole became Lodge Master, Deumié was still the Phoenix Lodge Master when I was active in cOTO.) Repeating that it is "full of inaccuracies" 100s of times, does not help. I hope people start questioning why is it that the Caliphate members would not simply email their corrections to Peter Koenig? Wouldn't that just simply be for the best? As for gossip about me, I wish it would stop. I would like to correct one other thing, though Poole did not mention any names on list (but I am quite sure he has done so "off-list" so I know the kind of silliness being said about us .... Poole is lying or misinformed, as Simon (Eric Cote) was an associate member of the Caliphate, while we lived in Ottawa (we still have the documentation to "prove" this), Simon has said nothing about Poole's wife on the entire website on this history, but Simon did suggest that Poole stop slandering me, Simon *was* also allegedly an initiated member of the Caliphate long before his associate membership. This was in the bad old "Starry Wisdom" days, when Alan did some initiations (or purported initiations), and collected the money which never made it to GL, neither did the paperwork....Simon also was given a "Charter" by Alan Stewart (circa 1990 I believe, when Alan was still in goodstanding with OTO), this has all been in print for a number of years, though once I met Simon, I assured him the Charter that Stewart gave him was bogus (it was to start up a Camp, make what you want of that) and he accepted that I knew what I was talking about, he never claimed to be able to start anything with the Charter from Alan Stewart as a result. It's pretty awful in retrospect, but at one time Alan Stewart was calling Simon his "best student". The story of the "bogus Charter" from Alan Stewart was printed up in The Old Guard in 1993-4, and was circulated locally. I doubt that Poole has even read Koenig's website, or surely he would have seen that the same story is there now, the one that originally appeared in the Old Guard. So we agree that the Charter was bogus, but do not agree that Simon "has never been a member" or that Simon has ever written — or said -- anything at all about David's wife, though he does know her, as do many in this community. Anyway that is probably the least of the lies being circulated in this community about us. How silly that while I wish Simon had never been a member, and that MOST people would not want it known that they were, Poole is trying to discredit Simon by saying he never was a member! It shows again how defunct communication is between Bill Heidrick and the rest of the membership, ESPECIALLY bodymasters, who do not even know who is/is not their membership, unless GL tells them so (IOW Poole is unaware we lived in Ottawa and that is where Simon was a documentable associate member — meaning we still have the receipt from HQ). Anyway thanks again, because I did not know those details of Quebec (Canada) employment laws, I am relieved to hear that Adam/adeptus93 has a legitimate "contract" in Quebec, to work here, I mean. I did not know otherwise what to make of the fact that I was actually banned for posting a link to a website, on a list allegedly "open to all". Now I know who the membership of the list actually is [to follow] I am not one bit surprised I was banned. I am more than a little familiar, to say the least, with the Caliphate OTO members of Texas. blessings, satyra [Sr. Aristha] PS: You are the new president of CUPS? Congratulations! That sure is a heavy packsack there, Scarlet....LOL! Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 To: aiwazthelhma@yahoogroups.com From: Leah Cc: koenig(at)cyberlink.ch ex-spell, expel I just thought of something, Alan Stewart — who was in good-standing and chartered at the time (Starry Wisdom Oasis OTO) — initiated Simon (Frater Ash) to ??? (he's asleep, I'll have to ask later) and gave him a "charter" to start a Camp (1990-1?). Never mind that Stewart pocketed the money and never sent a report to GL (there are more than one like that around), Simon didn't know that at the time. Stewart was expelled in 1992. In 1993, he expelled Simon (Fr. Ash), calling him "persona non grata". (As an expelled member himself, did he have a right to expell Fr. Ash?) Simon (Fr. Ash) sent in associate member dues in 1996 (one year's dues). Simon resigned from cOTO in 1996 (we received one copy of the ML for the $30 or so, still have it, pretty hefty price there, eh). I gave my opinion that the Charter and the initiation(s) were "bogus" in 1993. But were they? If GL never received the dues, does that make the initiation/Charter bogus? Isn't that a loophole that permits people such as Stewart to do what he did, collect the money, never send it to GL, and then the person cannot technically complain because "officially" they are not a dues-paying member and GL never heard of them? (shakes head and wonders) Looks like the ambiguity about degree isn't only mine... LOL! Didn't Motta expell Bill Breeze? Motta expells Breeze who expells Stewart who expells Fr. Ash (Simon). Is that a succession line? LOL! Did anyone expell Grady L. McMurtry?
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 To: heidrick@well.com From: Simon Subject: membership Cc: aiwazthelhma@yahoogroups.com, koenig(at)cyberlink.ch, scarabaeus887ca@yahoo.com To: Frater Emet, Bill Heidrick, GTG, OTO Could you please advise me, after consulting your records, of my current membership status? My name, Eric S. Cote, Fr. Ash II°, my address at the time of my initiation in Terrebonne, QC, Canada In 1990-91, I received my 0°, I°, and II° at Starry Wisdom Oasis, a duly chartered intiating body of the OTO, at 3703 rue Coloniale in Montréal. The initiating officers were William Lento, Alan Stewart (Fr. SDA/Daystar), and probably Ralph Osborne (Fr. OZ), possibly Sr. Roe as well. I was given a Charter to start a Camp at the time. After that I was asked to join Camp of Lady Nuit, at that time I had no idea that both groups were chartered bodies of OTO. Mr. David Poole, Fr. Salazar, said that if I did some work for him he would cover half my dues to be initiated into what I thought was his Camp, I did not know at that time that there was any connection between the two bodies. I agreed, and he said that he would cover half my intiation fees for 0° and I°. I later changed my mind about being initated into Camp of Our Lady Nuit. I am wondering if David Poole ever did send my dues to you? This was in about 1991. He never made any refund to me. Mr. Poole was aware that I was a member of Starry Wisdom Oasis, but he did not advise me that both bodies were part of OTO, and that there was any connection between the two. I understand now that Alan Stewart was expelled in 1992. However the other two officers remain members. In 1996 I erroneously, therefore, because of many misunderstandings on my part, rejoined as an associate member, though I was a II°. I shortly thereafter resigned _as an associate_. I lived in Ottawa at the time, where there was no local body at all. Could you please send my records to me so I may review them? Thank you, Sincerely, Eric S. Cote Fr. Ash II° Valley of Montreal, QC, Canada Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 To: koenig(at)cyberlink.ch From: Leah Subject: Fwd: [aiwazthelhma] Isaac Bonewits --- begin forwarded text ummm... Isaac is not Califate or any other OTO. Never was and never would be. Dear Scarlet, I found this in one search on the internet, "Isaac Bonewits OTO" on google.com. I just grabbed it because it said "biography" and it seemed very comprenhesive. I wasn't aware that he now seems to be taking credit for the revival of the Caliphate, and yet there it is: "During the early 1980s, Bonewits and Eaton were heavily involved in the California revival of the Ordo Templi Orientis, or ³O.T.O.,² best known for its most important historical figure, Aliester Crowley." from: www.neopagan.net/IB_Bio.HTML It is also on his website, as I said he is rather proud of, and has never hidden the fact. Though this is the first I know of him having "revived it". lol! Maybe David R. Jones cares to comment, surely he must know Isaac. ----- Original Message ----- From: Leah To: aiwazthelhma@yahoogroups.com Sunday, March 10, 2002 Subject: Re: [aiwazthelhma] Isaac Bonewits Below is a repost to remind people that I am trying to bring Isaac Bonewits to Montreal. Please look at the link referring to the possible presentations he can do and let me know which one you are interested in so I can put together a formal proposal to Isaac. Dear Scarlet, Isaac Bonewitz is a Caliphate OTO member, so I do not feel I would be interested in participating in the proposal, for pretty obvious reasons I hope. However, maybe others of the Caliphate on this list.... ? ------------------- Scarlet's original post: I have been talking with the author Isaac Bonewits (author of Real Magic and other books, as well as the founder of ADF Druid Grove). He is interested in making an appearance in Montreal. We would be responsible for his transportation and lodging. Fees:For presentations done at Neopagan or New Age bookstores or centers, Isaac now requests 50% of the income generated by his appearance(s) with a guaranteed minimum of $50 per hour spent presenting. This can be combined with a book signing. If we all work together, I think it would be perfectly feasable to have him visit. Here is the link to the workshops he presents: www.neopagan.net/IB_Presentations.HTMLWhat does everybody think? Scarlet Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 To: aiwazthelhma@yahoogroups.com From: Simon Subject: Re: [aiwazthelhma] more missing reports to GL? boring details... Leah: and...and.... in 1989-90 (?) (will check details later) as I recall Fr. Salazar/Scarabeus, aka David Poole, Camp of Our Lady Nuit, made Fr. Ash an associate member of the Caliphate OTO in exchange for painting the floor of the Temple at Papineau and Ontario. Fr. Ash did the work, Poole said he would cover the associate member dues in exchange. Simon: it was actually a 50% discount off the init fee. Leah: Simon, like others, probably was not aware of the hierarchy, and GL, and possibly thought he was joining "a" Camp, i.e. Lady Nuit, and "an" Oasis, i.e. Starry Wisdom, he possibly thought they were completely independent of each other..... but Fr. Salazar/Scarabaeus AND Fr. SDA would have known... Did that money ever get to GL? Simon: honestly, prolly not. but we asked heimlich... ["Herr Heimlich" is sort of an internet nickname for Bill Heidrick. "heimlich" is german and means "secretly"] Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 To: aiwazthelhma@yahoogroups.com From: Simon Subject: Re: [aiwazthelhma] Isaac Bonewits Amentii wrote: I was wondering about that too, because I remember Simon telling me that he never joined OTO??? And you telling me the same. Now I read that he thinks he is/was a member. What the F* is going on? Simon: well, it's all rather confusing to me, but it all hinges on dates, and whether or not a.s. had a "valid" charter or not at the time. satyra [Leah] thought he didn't, but it turns out he might have had one, up 'tll 1992. Leah: cOTO is like welfare bum scientology Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 To: aiwazthelhma@yahoogroups.com From: Leah Subject: Re: [aiwazthelhma] Isaac Bonewits Cc: heidrick@well.com, scarabaeus887ca@yahoo.com, brandwinn@hotmail.com, Agape-Montreal-owner@yahoogroups.com Care Sr. H.A[amentii]. (et alii), I had not seen all the documents and read all the things I have really, in the past few days before, or worse, realised the full implications of it all, my bad. :-( I accept full responsibility for having misinformed Simon in 1993, when I met him, that his Starry Wisdom init was invalid, because I believed at the time (and up until very recently) that Alan Stewart no longer had his Charter from 1989 on. I believed that until a few days ago, really. I have many reasons for having been skeptical of anything Alan Stewart did/said. Here is a timeline: I took my minerval in 1986 at Phoenix Lodge. I took my alleged I° in 1987 at Starry Wisdom Oasis. a report was made about this to HQ, the result was that Wytchwood Hill Camp and Starry Wisdom Oasis were both closed, and Wytchwood Hill Camp was advised of this. I resigned (first time), 1988-9. As far as I knew, Starry Wisdom stayed closed, and Alan was on bad report from then until 1992, when he was expelled. I do not remember who told me that, possibly David Poole (Fr. Salazar/Scarabeus). Fr. Salazar (Poole) approached me in 1989 to write for his Camp of Lady Nuit magazine, which I did. He talked to me about rejoining, I said no, etc.. I had no contact with Starry Wisdom Oasis ever again, received nothing from OTO-HQ, so whatever I was told was by Fr. Salazar. In 1992 I met Simon (Fr. Ash), in December. We hit it off, etc. etc. At some point he mentioned Alan had initiated him into Starry Wisdom, I never asked to what degree until today, I assumed (my bad) to Minerval, and I also assumed that Alan never had a Charter again, and that Starry Wisdom Oasis had been closed - forever. So I told Simon that that initiation was "bogus". I also assumed that Simon meant "Church of Starry Wisdom", until today, not Starry Wisdom Oasis. I do not know what year that Alan was given his charter to initiate again, but apparently, according to OTO-HQ, the Charter that Alan had in 1990 (?) to initiate was valid. It turns out that I did not know two things: 1) Alan Stewart did have a valid charter for Starry Wisdom Oasis, in 1990; 2) Simon not only took his 0°, but his I° and II° at Starry Wisdom Oasis. He also was given a charter (which I accept responsibility for telling him was bogus) to start a Camp, in 1991, by Starry Wisdom Oasis. (There is yet another person, it turns out, who probably was at that series of initiations). Alan was expelled in early 1992. He continued on with the EGC and with the Church of Starry Wisdom. He rewrote rituals for the Church. Alan expelled Simon (Fr. Ash II°) in 1993. It seems I goofed, big time. Simon never lied to me, or to anyone else, he believed me when I told him Alan's charter did not exist as of 1990, so his (Fr. Ash's) initiation must have been bogus. I honestly cannot remember if I believed this because of information given me by David Poole, or not. I do remember that sometime in 1991, Mr. Poole arranged for an EGC Mass Team to come up from New York City. I (and others) were given EVERY assurance by Mr. Poole that Alan Stewart would not be invited to the Mass. Turns out Alan Stewart was invited, and I boycotted the Mass. I believed that Alan Stewart was on bad report at that time, turns out he was not! In fact, I believed that Alan was on bad report from 1989-90 to 1992, before he was expelled. No one never informed me that Alan had not only been reinstated (?) but that he was doing initiations during 1990-1992. Never. I never received a copy of any Magickal Link or any other information that led me to believe that Starry Wisdom had EVER been permitted to reopen, I thought it was dropped in 1990 forever. I knew many of the Caliphate members then socially, but they never told me that Alan had been reinstated. Again, my bad, my misinformation. Poole, Latullipe, and Hoirch were my main Caliphate contact after 1989, but I honestly cannot remember exactly what any of them said about Alan. It does make sense, in retrospect, because I knew two others that obviously Alan must have initiated, Poole could not have done so, as he only had a Camp in 1990, but the implications and puzzle pieces just never fit until today. Turns out the little article in the book by Kevin Marron that said "The leader of the Montreal OTO group, ...." who was Alan Stewart at the time (I did not know this) was true after all. Deumié had been expelled, and Alan Stewart does seem to have been a IV° and PI up until 1992, February. Hope this clears things up Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 From: Simon To: Bill Heidrick
INNOCENCE
POOLE'S MUSCLES
INVITATION
From: starrywisdom2002 Date: Fri Mar 22, 2002 Subject: Starry Wisdom - Montreal We are interested in hearing from members of the famous, or infamous, Starry Wisdom in Montreal. We have formed a group at Yahoo for this purpose. This group is for members, friends, visitors, or residents, of the Caliphate OTO Camp and later Oasis called Starry Wisdom or the Church of the Starry Wisdom in Montreal, Canada, which was written about in Kevin Marron's book, "Witches, Pagans, and Magicians in the New Age". The purpose of this group is to collect recollections and possibly memorabilia, for publication on a website about Starry Wisdom's history in the occult community of Montreal from the 1980s-1990s. Any contributions you can give to the recollection collection: issues of the magazine, "Kisses of Nuit", rituals, photos will be very much appreciated. Or just email us at: mailto:starrywisdom2002@y... The Church of Starry Wisdom/Starry Wisdom OTO Camp/Oasis join the group for collections of recollections of members, residents, visitors and friends: https://groups.yahoo.com/group/starry-wisdomCONFUSION IN PARADISE
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 To: aiwazthelhma@yahoogroups.com, flamethetrogdolytes@yahoogroups.com From: Leah Cc: scarabaeus887ca@yahoo.com David Poole: "1) Alan Stewart Body Master of Starry Wisdom Oasis, was suspended from the Order on February 1992."Leah: "He was suspended I believe August 1990, he was expelled 1992."
Poole: " Previous to that his "Initiation Charter" had alledgedly been revoked from mid 1989. I cannot confirm as I have no hard copy of any of the goings on. This was at the same time that Wytchwood Hill and Starry Wisdom was closed. Any purported "Initiations" after that time period are therefore invalid. Any charters are certainly invalid, as those are not in any case given by local body masters."
Simon answered: "Just like scientology zombies, coto zombies re-write "history" for your own ends."
Poole: "In 1991 or so an individual naming himself "Eric Paradis" twice attended open meetings at the Templar Center on Ontario street. (By the way, the paint job on the floor was done by myself & Frater Zalanes.)"
Leah: "There was an Eric Paradis who was well-known as a drug dealer who lived on Ave. Pine at probably that point in time. I met him in 1990; he arrived where I was staying at Wytchwood Hill in the company of Mr. Poole (who had a car and had brought a number of people up from the city) for a Summer Solstice celebration. He proceeded to try to sell drugs and was told to stop; the ritual was delayed for four hours so people could start in a more "natural" state. I never saw that person again (nor did I want to). There was another drug dealer who was often in the company of David Poole in 1991, named Jerry Betnezsky. When I found out that this person was awaiting trial for assault of a woman (!), I severed my relationship with Mr. Poole completely. He brought that person to Wytchwood Hill, and also once to my apartment in the city for an open ritual, and one time to a "Pagan night" at the Ontario and Papineau Temple.
Simon sez that he believes this Frater Zalanes WAS Eric Paradis.
This is NOT the same Eric known as Simon, who I never met until 1992 (December)."
Simon answered: "you may have finished it, but i had started that floor. get over yourself. it was like this, and i have the memory of a cancerian: i - at the time- wanted to be initiated into coto. you david poole, and myself, eric, had to come to a verbal agreement that i would pay half the init dues, and in exchange i would help paint the floor. i did so, but i had decided to not go through with the init, therefore i had stopped painting it. i remeber: it was a red paint, the usual kind when one paints a cement floor. you cannot tell me my memories are lies, no matter how much you deny, strike my name from the record, or otherwise try to commit a civil death upon me.
this is why i quit: because of stupid inanities like this denial of my presence, the general overall bad treatment of people who don't fit the capitalist and yuppie mindset, and especially women. may you rot in your christian hell."
Poole: "In October 1996 we receive a letter from a "Francois Paradis" saying that he alledgedly had made a payment of $40.00 towards an initiation in Phoenix Oasis and asking if he could be initiated because "he had moved to Ottawa and many things had happened to prevent him from continuing". We have no record of that."
Leah: "This only proves my point, I suppose, that there were others "initiated by Alan". I know of four others....."
Simon: "not me, as you well know."
Poole: "Also, we find no records of any "Eric Cote"."
Simon: "liar."
Poole: "Can this be the same individual? We have duplicate receipts of all funds received and all disbursements made in that period of time. I verified and we cannot help him in any way."
Leah: "Heidrick already confirmed that the OTO had heard of, and has a record of, Eric Côté"
Simon wrote: "you lie like a rug, and a cheap one at that."
Poole: "Thank you."
Simon: "you are most certainly NOT welcome."
Poole: "Love is the law, love under will."
Simon: "this is a bullshit statement."
Poole: ".·. Scarabaeus
Lodge Master"
Simon: "master in his own mind. so mote it be!"
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 To: heidrick@well.com From: leah Subject: Fwd: a correspondence Cc: shimi@sympatico.ca Dear Bill, A copy for your files. My husband received this correspondence (his answer to a copy of the email sent to you) from David Poole. It is pretty self-explanatory. My comments [...] might be enlightening as to why I finally severed all ties to David Poole, I have not mentioned it before, for me it was quite enough to write Poole out of my life completely and totally. Quite frankly, he was often in the company of people who, to put it mildly, I did NOT want to know or be associated with, even less in a ritual setting. Some of them I considered quite dangerous. Sincerely, Sr. Aristha Leah Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 From: David Poole To: Peter-R. Koenig Subject: Simon says... Simon and Leah just sent me an e-mail Leah: There was an Eric Paradis who was well-known as a drug dealer who lived another drug dealer who was often in the company of David Poole in 1991, named Jerry Betnezsky. Poole comments: Although Jerry isn't around to respond, I'll tell you this, he certainly was never a drug dealer, he was an intern in a home for the menatally ill! Leah: When I found out that this person was awaiting trial for ((Alledged))assault of a woman (!), I severed my relationship with Mr. Poole completely. Poole: You are completely off track. Jerry has always owned his own car, and to the best of my recollection he was never at the hill at the same time that I was. I was at the hill maybe twice or three times, once for my I* wicca, and once with my wife and Marc Lummis at the Summer Solstice and maybe on one other occasion. This Eric Par*** came once to the Temple on Papineau, we have a record of those attending the open to the public night. As far as his alledgedly being a drug dealer, who knew? Leah: Simon sez that he believes this Frater Zalanes WAS Eric Paradis. Poole: Frater Zalanes is NOT Paradis, Frater Zalanes was a member of the III*. Leah: This is NOT the same Eric known as Simon, who I never met until 1992 (December). Poole: Thats nice. Simons original answer: you may have finished it, but i had started that floor. get over yourself. it was like this, and i have the memory > of a cancerian: i at the time- wanted to be initiated into coto. you david poole, and myself, eric, had to come to a verbal agreement that i would pay half the init dues, and in exchange i would help paint the floor. i did so, but i had decided to not go through with the init, therefore i had stopped painting it. i remeber: it was a red paint, the usual kind when one paints a cement floor. you cannot tell me my memories are lies, no matter how much you deny, strike my name from the record, or otherwise try to commit a civil death upon me. Poole's comment: we would of been happy to initiate you in those days, I don't see your point. Did you 'disappear" from the scene? Why? By the way the floor paint was grey, I just sent Koenig a photo of that Temple and you'll see yourself on his site eventually. So your memory isn't as good as you claim. Simon: "but i had decided to not go through with the init, therefore i had stopped painting it." Poole: Ah, thank you: That just proves that your story is cock-eyed, why dont you drop it then!!! Regarding: Also, we find no records of any "Eric Cote". Simon wrote: liar. Poole: Watch your mouth! What is written down will last... Simon: you lie like a rug, and a cheap one at that. Poole: Comment: Get yourself a life. As far as I know, and this is information that you an "Leah" provided, is that you joined the Order of your own accord as an associate when she decide to re-join when you lived in Ontario. I was never even advised of this at the time. You seem to hold a grudge, its something for you to work out, leave me alone! I don't have time for you people anymore.
AGAIN THELEMIC WICCAS
[This topic started in Part I] Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 To: koenig(at)cyberlink.ch From: Leah Poole's original comment: Although Jerry isn't around to respond, I'll tell you this, he certainly was never a drug dealer, he was an intern in a home for the menatally ill! Leah: That certainly doesn't rule out what I said! Poole: Jerry has always owned his own car Leah: That doesn't mean that he was not awaiting trial! Poole: and to the best of my recollection he was never at the hill at the same time that I was. I was at the hill maybe twice or three times, once for my I* wicca, Leah: No you were there only for open sabbats, remember? I didn't even live there! Also that was not I° "Wicca" if you want to be exact, that was I° so-called "Thelemic Wicca" as invented by Michael Hoirch, with all his "cOTO-based improvements". Imagine this, he was a III° in cOTO at the time, little did I know Oath bound not to "initiate or purport to initiate" etc. [see cOTO third degree Oath]:NEVERENDING GRRRSSS
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 From: Leah Subject: rogues i am really trying to stay detached from this emotionally but it is making me go "grrrrr". 12 years ago I gave david [Poole] a stack of drawings that he had permission to use in his magazine and that he said he was going to submit to a publisher as a sort of "portfolio". after i quit i discovered he was printing them (he never bought them) and wrote him a letter that he was violating our agreement/my copyright. he never returned the artwork to me. now he offered them back, but i am supposed to say i was lying about him using drugs or else he will keep my artwork, which is saying he will steal from me unless i lie. blackmail! this is just too much. i guess i will have to accept the "theft" or take him to court if i ever want to see my artwork again. unimaginable! (each piece was signed by me and (c) dated). To: aiwazthelhma@yahoogroups.com From: Leah Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 Poole: Well if one gets the focus on drugs and alcohol out of it ("Diary of a Drug Friend"), it's a lot easier. (grin) You are perpetuating a lie, maliciously, therefore you are again attempting to slander me. I take exception to these comments, and advise you that you are not doing anyone any good by repeating hearsay and falsehoods. Leah: [...] above my comment was a "general" one, if the shoe fits wear it. your reaction, though is a bit telling, because my statement was not about you but you behave as if it were. i haven't seen you in 12 years i do NOT have a clue what you are doing, but we both know, as does half the occult community in Montreal who was there and who witnessed it, that you banned smoking tobacco in the "Lodge" but permitted the smoking of hash. which is a pretty silly thing to do if you think about it. Slander is lies, and I am not lying. I frankly would be happy if you dropped it because I do not care what you do, although if you are still smoking, I would ask you not to do it near me, because it is not good for my asthma, that's about how much I care about it. david, no one CARES after 12 years. I cared 12 years ago, but my solution was a simple one, I quit. even at that, we live in canada where you can smoke just about everywhere, and it is only a fine, and in 30 YEARS i do not know one single person who has ever gotten that fine. no one cares! this is not "bush-land", it is not "war on drugs" land. Poole: The Oasis-Lodges focus was NEVER drugs and alcohol. Leah: hahahahahahaha! Poole: How do you expect me to again forget your attitude and try to cooperate with you. Leah: david, i would like my artwork back, really, that's all. no one was proposing "cooperation" other than that, i am not interested in "participating" with the public pagan/occult/magickal community, or anything like that. I did think that at least you could do that little, I gave you the work in good faith. so you're saying I should back your lies or you will steal my work? that's bullshit, keep the work, and have the karma too for stealing from me. you must still be IN the OTO, lol. do you realise that on a public elist, you are admitting that you will steal an artist's "copyrighted" artwork (mine), as a sort of blackmail to get me to go along with something you yourself admitted to having done 12 years ago and now want to deny you said for some unknown reason? you really don't even have a right to have that stuff which does belong to me, the "artist/creator" you know. i never SOLD it to you (except the catalogue cover, and we did have an agreement about that), i gave it to you to use in the magazine. you have no receipt for it showing you "own" it. [ more by Leslie on this affair. And David Poole's reaction ]Poole: The last we had any contact, before the Koenig thing, you asked me if I would let you archive some of your stuff or mention Pangaea in your article on the local scene. I was happy to collaborate and even offered that you could use my computer and scanner. Even before that (although you didn't know) I was considering giving you my old computer because you seemed to be minding your own business and trying to produce a typed newsletter. Even now the day before yesterday I said to you I'd comb the Lodge archives and get the drawings you made for you. Just because you repeat your weird accusations and got Koenig to post them on his website Leah: i didn't get koenig to do a damn thing, nor could i! and YOU were talking to koenig WAY before i was, apparently. lol! Poole: and even IF Latulippe tried to ruin my career in OTO by accusing me of any wrongdoing IT IS STILL FALSE. Leah: david, i am not going to lie. you even admitted it to koenig, but said it was no longer going on. it's 12 years ago! Poole: I'm not out on any personnal vendetta, but I'll ask you one final time to temper your tongues. [...] Poole: I wasn't "laying a guilt trip" on your "poor little Eric", I just find it preposterous that he has the gall to continually address me in such a familiar tone, when we dont even know each other. Leah: You know that isn't true either. What is so silly, that you would deny meeting/knowing Eric, who had dinner at your house, and helped with setting up the temple, and who you know perfectly well, over something piddling ridiculous like what half the dues/int fee = $30. Do you have so little money/is money really that important to you? you have my sympathy. remember at first you said "the" Order had no record of him, well we confirmed with Heidrick that it does. then you changed it to "never heard of him". why not just give it a break. we don't give a fuck about that piddling little amount of money, trust me. Poole: His whole attitude is insulting and is soleley based on his knowledge of me which is second hand and biased. Leah: poo poo. he said he had chicken and rice. maybe you don't remember him, but he remembers you. Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 To: aiwazthelhma@yahoogroups.com, David Poole From: Leah Subject: OTO & responsibility Cc: koenig(at)cyberlink.ch dear david, i would like to remind you, and the califate members on this list, that this artwork of mine done 10-12 years ago (the bulk of it) was submitted to and published in an "official organ" of a chartered body of the OTO corporation, under a "limited use" agreement, with myself retaining all copyrights. The OTO as a whole is responsible for this attempted theft and blackmail as far as I understand under the laws of Canada and Quebec, you were their chartered representative at that time, and still are, to the best of my knowledge. please give me some assurance that you will return my copyrighted work to me, and with no conditions attached to its return. as for the "file" you have claim to have "on me" on behalf of the corporation you were chartered by and represent to the best of my knowledge, i.e. Ordo Templi Orientis, aka OTO, Inc., and OTO International, I believe that under the "privacy act" and the laws of Canada and Quebec, as a "chartered" representative of a corporation, and the owner of a business, you must give me a copy of that file on request. i hereby request that you do so. not *on* the list, as you know, that would violate my privacy, off-list please. scans are acceptable. Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 To: aiwazthelhma@yahoogroups.com From: Leah Subject: Re: [aiwazthelhma] trademark (copyright-type) case Cc: koenig(at)cyberlink.ch XXX: as a synchronicity: a $1 million settlement, right here with yahoo: but isn't this about copy-right and not property-right. Leah: I posted it in re: limited use, i.e. the recording (some what akin to a copy of a work, in this case the artist yodelling) was made for a limited use, $900 and they could use it in TV ads; they decided they could use it for other things, which was not agreed to. in my case the limited use was in the magazine "Pan*Gaia" an "official organ of OTO", and as well he asked me to prepare a portfolio for submission to a publisher, and I also did the cover of a catalogue for his business "Lady Nuit, Inc.". I was paid to my satisfaction for the use in "Pan*Gaia", also for the catalogue cover. i never saw or heard about the portfolio again, which i never gave him permission to copy anyway, but despite that he used some of it in another OTO official organ (called "ToPaz" much later, and I objected, he apologised, etc.) He knew then (which was in 1993 I guess) that he had no permission to copy my work. This is documented in correspondence. I *gave* him one original as a gift. That one he could copy, because my intent was transference in full. It the original of the catalogue cover, which was entitled "In Hir Image" I believe. It showed Aleister and Isis. No such agreement went with any of the other work(s). I did not assign ownership in any way in the original pieces, or the copies (which I made). And yes except for that *one* piece, I do own the originals, and the copies. In 1997 I had contacted him about putting "Pentangle" and possibly "Pan*Gaia" on line as well, that is what he meant about "cooperating". It was dropped and never brought up until now, and well you saw him offer to go in the boxes in his garage to get my work for me, and then dangle the promise in front of me with conditions that I lie about his [...] use, which he admitted himself (which is blackmail BTW) and which two other people have corroborated publicly now. How dishonourable. Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 To: aiwazthelhma@yahoogroups.com From: Leah Subject: Re: [aiwazthelhma] Re: The Other EGC Patent Letter Cc: koenig(at)cyberlink.ch I am not sure how to read this one, but that is why I will make a formal request. Corporations operating in Canada are not allowed to gather information on citizens and then refuse to let them see what was collected. I would like to see what this "file" is therefore before I comment further on this. That is what I asked under the "privacy act". I never asked for a "purging", I had no idea that OTO International/OTO,Inc. or David Poole's business (Lady Nuit, Inc. or any other) WAS gathering information on *this* citizen. Other than what I had given them when I joined, which was on my application. Obviously I thought Tim Maroney was joking when he kept mentioning "files" and "cases". Mention of a "purge" tells me it is no joke. Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 To: aiwazthelhma@yahoogroups.com From: Leah dear david, now we can both lapse, at this point, into several years of silence, on embark on more adversarial path(s). personally, i would like this resolved and for the conflict to end. i admit that i have *some* emotional attachment to my work, especially my art. the thought that "oh boy here we go again" and your mentioning my portfolio at the same time you are still saying things like this: so i will cut to the chase, are you planning to keep my work? i read the above again, and it still sounds to me like you are saying: " temper your tongues" OR you will never see your art work again. perhaps that was not your intent, but it did sound like it to me. please clarify your intent. i also note, once again, that you have no right to the work, other than the use which we mutually agreed to, being printed in Pan*Gaia which is now defunct. i don't believe you ever did meet the agreement in re: the portfolio, which was that you had it only for the purpose of submitting it to a publisher "for" me.
ANOTHER LOOSE END?
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 From: Leah well this one IS about cOTO, there is a woman who took her Minerval the same day as I did, who is posting there that I am a "liar" (Jenny Vizvary). I think she is just repeating what is being said and I am pretty sure she has not even seen your site.... so I answered her with some specific questions, hehehe! ;-) --- begin forwarded text To: MontrealPaganGrove@yahoogroups.com From: Leah Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 Cara Soror Jenny, You seem to have some problems with what I had said about my Minerval and what was done at my Minerval in the Café Thélème in 1986. Would you care to point out (see below) where you think our experiences were different? To my knowledge, you, like I, were probably never given a copy of the ritual, which we have a right to look at after the fact if not BEFORE the fact (that is called "informed consent"). Considering that the rituals were given to me in 1999, I have had a chance to compare the ritual I went through (it may have been done differently for you, as I was not there for yours) with the ritual as it appears *on paper*. What I wrote which appears on Koenig's site is true, although I acknowledge that my memory, which at that point was 13 years old, was not perfect. Here are the differences with the written ritual: The person is supposed to be "disarmed" by the Black Guard. — I was not disarmed. The Black Guard is supposed to (duuuh) wear a black robe. — my Black Guard wore a white robe *if I remember correctly*. The Minerval is supposed to be *given* a dagger (they don't do this and I cannot say if they ever did, but it is in the ritual). — obviously I was not given one, nor told to bring one. There were three officers not one. — There are supposed to be three for the first degree, but not the Minerval. — Bill Breeze wore a "turban" which was a piece of black cloth, Sr. Eva also wore a turban-like "hat", perhaps it was a "turban". There is supposed to be a tent, and you are invited into the tent, shake hands with Saladin, and sit beside him. — There was no tent, I was never invited anywhere, even less to sit down beside Saladin. He never got up from his seat, which was a box elevated so he sat up higher than the two other officers. I never shook hands with him at all. Nor did I sit down in the Temple at all. I was told that I would receive a copy of Liber AL. — I never was given a copy of anything. The Minerval is told to read from the first Chapter. — I was asked to *choose* a Chapter. There is one half of the ritual, you are supposed to go off and have a meal *together with the others* and then there is the second half of the ritual — ALL the Minervals are supposed to be there for the second half, which is when you take the Oath, and are given the dagger. — I ate a meal, upstairs, alone in the Café except for Rob who sat with me (I took my Minerval before noon), I can even tell you *exactly* what I ate which was an omelet. I waited until 03:00 if I remember, the next day, to be recalled for the second part of the ritual, which never happened. I had taken my Minerval before you arrived in the Café. Some people said that it finished at 05:00 and none of the Minervals were ever recalled. I never got a copy of Liber AL, did you? Were you ever allowed to see the ritual after you went through it? Look at it this way (I have), since I was *never called to take the Oath* which is the second part of the ritual, I am not and have never been bound to anyone, though I certainly was made to believe that I had gone through the "real" ritual until 1999, when I saw it, and some of the Caliphate members obviously "believed" I was Oath bound although I never took the Oath. I can send you a copy of the Minerval which I have, and you can compare it with your own memories if you want. BTW they have changed the Oath a BIT, it was to "Baphomet" until about 1997 I think, now you take an Oath to a *person*, the CEO of the (USA reg'd.) OTO International, Inc., if you live in Canada, the CEO of the OTO, Inc., if you live in in the USA. --- end forwarded text Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 To: MontrealPaganGrove@yahoogroups.com From: Leah My apologies to people who are bored with this, just skip to the next post. Or put me in your "kill file", I don't care. again I have to correct myself, according to the ritual — which i only glanced at once, i did NOT study — the "banquet" comes at the end. — there was no banquet, or if there was it was after i went home at 03:00. "There is one half of the ritual, you are supposed to go off and have a meal *together with the others* and then there is the second half of the ritual" ==> this is wrong in my statement, i was confused about the ritual, which i just reread now. i have it as a text file, just email me and i will send you a copy offlist to compare with your own memory. you do go off after Part I, but then you are recalled with all the other new Minervals for Part II. "I ate a meal, upstairs, alone in the Café except for Rob who sat with me (I took my Minerval before noon), I can even tell you *exactly* what I ate which was an omelet. I waited until 03:00 if I remember, the next day, to be recalled for the second part of the ritual, which never happened. I had taken my Minerval before you arrived in the Café." ==> looking at the ritual again, i was told that the meal i was given in the Café was "the banquet" or I thought it was. but i was also told that i would be brought back to theTemple for the second part, and asked to wait. i gave up at 03:00. this is all so trivial, but i am interested in WHERE jenny thinks i am lying about the Minerval?BILL WHETSTONE
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 From: Leah Subject: moose-stomp this is a potentially dangerous line of question for me. i keep forgetting to mention, that someone [Robert Latulippe] identified the person I had said was Michael Hoirch in the photo (could you send me a copy again without the red dots?) as "Bill Whetsone". The person standing near Grady. I have heard of Bill Whetstone. I was told by Michael Hoirch that he "was A.·. A.·." and by another person that he "was Typhonian". He also was said to be an "antiques dealer". I am wondering if he is the person who "sold" the archive to the Califate? Do you know who they said they bought the stuff from? I keep going back to what Hoirch said about helping Breeze pack for the move to the USA, and Breeze taking him in an office and showing him a filing cabinet of Crowley papers, and letting him read some of them — and this was WAY before the Califate "officially" had any of the documents. There is also the holograph of Liber AL which was published here BEFORE the Califate had the original "mysteriously anonymously donated" to them. By 93 publishing. [Ed.: Leah errs, see Part VI] Surely there is documentation for the transfer of the archive.... (?)...the curious thing is i never knew he ever had ANYthing to do with the Califate.... until someone pointed him out in the photo.... Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 From: Leah Subject: The A.·. A.·. From The A.·. A.·. "from 1978 on, William Breeze living partime together with the 'American Magus' Smith, admired him as "my guru, friend and guide" i suppose Breeze was living in NY then? there is something from Montréal to relate concerning the A.·. A.·., and that is Michael Hoirch always claimed to be A.·. A.·., and he claimed that his superior in the A.·. A.·. was one Bill Whetstone, in the photo in front of the Café Thélème you told me that the person whom I had thought was Michael Hoirch (Fr. Ani La Ani then later Fr. A.S.V.) was actually Bill Whetstone, if true then the two of them resemble each other a great deal. Hoirch had told me that in the A.·. A.·. you only knew one other person, the person directly above you. Now I have heard nothing about who was Whetstone's "superior" or nything else, i never even knew Whetstone, had only heard of him (and also heard of him from another mutual friend, who assured me once that Bill Whetstone had never had anything to do with any O.T.O.) Well I know this is not much, but perhaps you know more about it or the above will be another puzzle piece. (?) I believed Hoirch's claim and in fact myself followed the A.·. A.·. programme of study he laid out for me for many years (something I do not talk about much as it is pretty pointless to talk about the work, one just does the work). Then I came to think Hoirch's claim was simply bogus (and I have my own reasons for this). But who knows what's the truth? I was surprised to start hearing all the stuff about "lineages" and this and that when I got on the net because of the way that A.·. A.·. had been presented to me, *as* a programme of study and ritual work... it just felt a little silly even mentioning A.·. A.·. at all. . . Oh yeh my thought & reason to write was that Michael Hoirch was *very* public about being in the A.·. A.·., for instance he had changed the spelling of his name to "Michaael" and had these business cards printed up with his name spelt "Michaael" (with the two As for the AA) and occult symbols printed on the card . . . i thought that surely his claim was one reason that Bill Breeze seemed to look on him with favour, well who really knows, but my point is surely Breeze knew about Michael's claim, and must have known about Whetstone if there was any connection there... maybe you've heard of something, if Whetstone was A.·. A.·. and had a lineage at all (and it wasn't just a fabrication of Michael's) what was it? He is there standing in front of the Café, and yet by all accounts I have heard, was never a member of O.T.O.YOU NEVER CAN SAY GOODBYE
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 To: aiwass_thelema@yahoogroups.com From: Leah Subject: what happened (for this list) I was trying to be honest. you do NOT offend me. however i found some of the things you have said to Sr. HA to be offensive, a bit. and of course you speak of your "brothers" HB and Kjetil, and also say you are not in "any" OTO. I don't have time or energy to try to figure out what this means if anything. But *you* the person is not offensive, just some of the things you said, I can see while we might exchange some information, we see things quite differently. I could NEVER respect a man who put a person who had punched me in the mouth so that i have a scar to this day, in a position of "power over" anyone. I could NEVER call such a person "brother". The person he put into camp-master postion, went on to almost kill me several times. Once he snuck up behind me, hit me in the back of the head with (probably) a piece of hardwood/firewood, and I lay on the ground unconscious for three days — in a coma — while he waited for me to die. Another time, when I was pregnant, he ran off with all the money on a two week drunk, leaving no food or firewood chopped to keep me warm. I had a miscarriage, and almost died later from a tubal infection. When I was in the hospital waiting for surgery, he took the money we had to live on and went out and did cocaine for three days with Alan Stewart, another of Breeze's bodymasters. One does not forget things like this. I have not posted EVER all the gory details, or mentioned the dozens of times this person was picked up by the police, assaulted others, and/or admitted to mental institutions. Suffice it to say that I escaped with my life intact. I even saved HIS life one time when he overdosed. But call Breeze a brother? NEVER! BTW another of his "hand-picked bodymasters" Alan Stewart may have murdered three people. He beat a female friend of mine eight times requiring hospitalisation. This was Breeze's idea of a suitable "Oasis Master". I need some time to cool off, away from the Califate and it's friends. call the "aiwass_thelema" a temporary safe house. And if you don't mind, please don't email me off list again, I really have nothing else to say. I may return again to aiwazthelhma but probably not for a while. That's all. love=law, satyrathe never ending story, welcome back
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 From: DPoole Subject: Canada 3 Peter, please try to follow: How can you let Leslie (leah) continue with her crazy stories? (Canada 3: Leah: "again that is total B.S. — this IS SLANDER DAVID! not only about me but about the person who DID NOT MAKE THOSE THREATS!!!! if you mean M.H. Fr. A.S.V. which i do believe you do mean." She accuses me of saying that her ex threatened her, when this is what she wrote in Canada 3: Leah: "Actually his background is pretty much similar to Hoirch's. Urban grandparents, suburban parents. Most of the city is like this. He knows nothing about my Craft lineage. I am sure Michael is writing some interesting things: after all, he threatened to kill me. I think he extends this now to mean kill my reputation, too." ??????? Watsa matta u???????? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 From: satyra_x / Leslie Subject: correction & addenda Here is a corrected version of the last (I wrote in haste, and it's got some errors): dear peter, that's not news, and I am really busy now.... I'd have to see the whole context though, not just this excerpt. Anyway the threats that I was referring to had nothing to do with those made by Mr. Hoirch, but with threats that were made to me by people I only knew in cyber-space after I had started posting my story/experience with the Caliphate, which was AFTER 1999, specifically Fr. Eru (Rikki La Coste) and "bishop" (James Harber). THAT is the context, after 1999. The last contact I *ever* had with Mr. Hoirch was in 1993. Yes he did threaten me, no he was not my husband but business partner/campmaster/"magickal" teacher. Those threats were made way back in 1986-7 (if I recall correctly) and were dealt with at the time through contact with the "proper authorities". I left the camp and its grounds completely and moved away and since 1993 have had no contact from that person, other than his silent appearance on many lists as "grannywitch93" as far as I know. He did subsequent to the initial assault of me do a number of things to me that required that the police be called.*** However all THAT was resolved in legal ways, and some of it has to do with what I would consider to be PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL medical information about Mr. Hoirch's state of health as it were. I do not happen to think that certain things should be published which have to do with a person's medical condition. But I have not heard anything from that person since 1993, and David knows well (or should know) that that was not the threats I was referring to. He is taking my statement below completely out of context. Mr. Hoirch still seems to be in the community locally, and some gossip that he has spread about both of us has come back to us. Any threats he made were prior to 1993, and that is pretty much it, we mostly deal with gossip by ignoring it. leslie anne leah DAVID: MICHAEL HOIRCH IS NOT MY "EX" YOU DO NOT HAVE THE NAME OF MY EX-HUSBAND!!!! I have not given it to the Caliphate, have not given it to Peter, have not mentioned it in print anywhere, because my ex-husband (and I was actually married at the time I took my Minerval BTW) has and had NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS!!!! WILL YOU PLEASE STOP REFERRING TO MICHAEL HOIRCH AS MY EX! *That* is a lie! and a lie IS slander! To Peter, I would send you a copy of my marriage certificate, AND my divorce certificate, to prove that I was NOT MARRIED TO MICHAEL HOIRCH but someone else entirely, but I don't want my ex-husband's name linked with mine any more, and I see no reason to "publish" his name either, he had nothing to do with OTO. Magick yes, he was interested in ceremonial magick, Gerard Encausse to be exact; cOTO/OTO/Wicca, etc., he had no interest in AT ALL. And he HAS nothing to do with cOTO/OTO etc. to this very day. Hmmm maybe I will dig up and send you that information anyway about who I was married to, it *is* a matter of public information. If that is what it takes to have the Caliphate stop pretending that one of their brethren was my "ex" anything other than business partner/campmaster/"magickal" teacher, I guess I will probably be forced to do just that. ----------------- ok here it is, at the time that Michael Hoirch assaulted me he was my "magickal teacher" in the A.·. A.·. which is what he claimed, looks like someone supplied one of his orange 'business' cards to peter for documentation purposes, the Michaael double-A spelling is for A.·. A.·. I haven't dug up the documents, but here is the information: I was married to ******** in Atlanta, Georgia in 1974, I am forgetful of the *exact* date, it was a long time ago. We were divorced in 1987 but remained on friendly terms until 1996, which is the last time I had contact with him. At the time I joined the Caliphate, I was married to him, and at the time Mr. Hoirch assaulted me, I was married to him. We were divorced in Montreal, so why doesn't David just trot on down to the courthouse and find a copy of the divorce certificate? To make my marriage "real" to him, that is. Happy now David? STOP CALLING HOIRCH MY EX!!!! I can of course, document my marriage/divorce. One of YOUR BRETHREN assaulted a MARRIED WOMAN who was not married EVER to any of your brethren. Oh and about the arrests and so on of Mr. Hoirch, there were so many times the police were called that I have completely lost count. Why don't you, David, on behalf of the Caliphate, ask him for a police report though? I couldn't obtain one since it is HIS record, but he surely could for a small fee. Thank you. Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 From: DPoole i think i cant keep up with the confusion about who did what to leah... whatever happened in the past has nothing to do with the oto officially (except for her botched initiation to I*, and that only because of the way we all handled it, including her, who was older and wiser than i then). i would have been happy to assist her in an honest and straightforward way. i dont why why i'm painted black as often as i was in the articles, i did my best and was so much younger then. maybe i should say my life is ruined too because i was initiated by leah! i sincerely wanted to be a craft initiate, and my experience with her coven has scarred me. maybe i should seek counseling... Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 From: satyra_x dear peter, To add a thought to what I wrote, all along I have been saying that "in Quebec there is NO SUCH THING as 'domestic violence', it is the Crown that lays charges, not the woman, and criminal assault is criminal assault, no matter who does it to whom." Tim Maroney, for reasons known only to himself, picked up some idea from somewhere that mine was a case of 'domestic violence' which does exist in the USA and DOES NOT exist in Canada, spun it, and ran with it. Maybe that is the spin that the hierarchy gave him to use to discredit me, maybe it just came out of his own imaginings, but whatever, he ran with it, certainly. And I believe that David picked up that idea from Tim, because, simply put, David never knew me well enough to even know that I was actually married to someone else at the time one of the Caliphate brethren assaulted me. But I was. I had a number of reasons for not mentioning it, the first being is that to my mind, dragging my REAL not Tim-invented ex-husband into this was not something I wanted to do. The second is that the assault to my mind, according to the laws of the country I live in and am a citizen of, is an assault, there is NO CRIME called 'domestic assault' here, and why should I mention I was the wife of someone else, when it had no relevance at all as to whether or not I was criminally assaulted? Because it doesn't, and that would be true even if my REAL ex-husband had been a Caliphate member and had assaulted me, which he was not. Anyway the Caliphate is trying to run everything, even their Canadian "branches" according to USA laws, and THAT IS WRONG! I have been saying from day one, that if they are registered here, they have to respect the laws of THIS country, which is Canada. And here, married or no, ASSAULT IS ASSAULT. As for Tim, he behaves 'as if' it is all right or explainable IF I were married to my assaulter, which it is NOT. And I was NOT married to my assaulter but to someone else. So now you know about my marriage, who it was to, and when it occurred, and that I was married to someone NOT a member of the Caliphate at the time I was assaulted BY a member of the Caliphate. So what kind of organisation is it that has their members assault married women? Married to someone who IS NOT A MEMBER? I ask you! And then through trickery tries to cement some sort of 'fraternal' bonds between the person who is assaulted and the person who is awaiting trial for the assault? I'd say that was a criminal organisation, frankly. leslie anne leah Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 From: DPoole satyra_x wrote: One of YOUR BRETHREN assaulted a MARRIED WOMAN who was not married EVER to any of your brethren. 'twas your brethren way before mine! you were "friends" with Alan Stewart and Felicity Stevens and Michael Hoirch, that is why I helped Alan and Micheal at your I*. If I had refused to help them YOU would have called me "a fucking prick"! So there you have it, I was dammed if I did and dammed if I didn't! My, what 20-20 vision in retrospect!David Poole resigns
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 From: DPoole I resigned. Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 From: DPoole Peter-R. Koenig" wrote: > on what grounds? Too much energy lost on a pointless endeavour. The "Lodge" concept doesnt seem to work in this day and age, and people are such *shmucks*. Will devote myself to my familly... DavidALLEGED FASCISM AND FRATERNITAS SATURNI
Not on Yahoo Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 From: gery moore Subject: oto, fra sat i was looking at your picture of the canadian oto people in front of the cafe theleme. i think that the man in white on the far right with the beard might be rodney devenish. it would be nice to see the picture without the eyes covered to be sure. rod was involved with a templar group in toronto, which he co-founded with a rod macdonald, and then moved to vancouver and began a group that had a retreat centre in the mountains near revelstoke. the templar thing fell apart, but rod stayed on and became a buddhist monk and now has a cyberpage as palden kunzang. i am curious to see the origional of the picture. i am also trying to find rod macdonald. there was a fraternitas saturni group in toronto which i am trying to find out about, headed by a carlos whose last name i don't know but he is now lama jampa of the canadian palyul lineage of nyingma tibetan buddhism. i know a few of the long term students of carlos. one richard tschuddi, who owns a book store in toronto called orion books, is a proponent of neo nazi literature and i am trying to find out the link between the f.s. and neo naziism. any ideas? thanks LATER INSERT: From: Richard Orion Tschudi Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 Dear Br. .'. Recently somebody sent me the e-mail exchanche between you and Gery Moore. To bad that I am now depicted as a neo-Nazi even thou I engaged myself during my whole life for Love, Tolerance and Truth (including free speech.) The thing with Gery Moore (a pseudonym, his real name is really J****) is this: J*** wanted above all to become a student of the Vajrayana teacher Lama Jampa Rimpoche. However Lama Jampa Rimpoche rejected him a his student. The way I see it every Vajrayana teacher has the right to reject or accept students. Lama Jampa Rimpoche gave me the task to tell J*** that he would not be accepted as Ripoche's student. Since that time J*** is unfortunately very bitter and talks very negative about Lama Jampa Rimpoche and myself (against me because I was the "messenger"). So, Peter if you hear any gossip about Lama Jampa or me, please check with me first and double-check the gossip. Besides that J*** is a very educated person and knows a lot about the history of Buddhism in the Himalaya region and India but seems to have a problem to relate to Buddhist groups. I don't know why. I believe he will eventually drop the grudge against since he is actually a practioner of Buddhism and he will cool down. I actually miss his "history talks" about Buddhism. By the way occultism is very strong in Toronto. Brotherly greetings Richard Tschudi Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 From: Leah Subject: Isis Covens & Buddhist-Thelemic-Wicca This moore is FAR more interesting personally, to me: On AT very recently, I mentioned carlos/lama jumpa, of course I know of him. He was the "leader" of the first Wicca group I trained with, BEFORE I joined OTO, aka Janus Mithras (and wrote a book called "Wicca the Ancient Way"). A person right now on the "Agape-Montreal" list, Michael Straw, was one of the High Priests in the Wicca organisation of lama jumpa (!) and my first "Wicca" teacher was in his coven. It was a mix of Wicca and Thelema, and I got expelled for having Aleister Crowley books in my house (notably Magick in Theory and Practice) mainly because all their "secret ancient teachings handed on from lama jumpa's grandmother" came from Aleister Crowley, who we were told was a very black magickian. I would have quit anyway, as I was told that it was necessary to take LSD to do "path workings" on the Tree of Life! It was a cult, IMHO, but not quite as destructive (a LOT of people get expelled at a low level) as OTO, no one died as far as I know, or was ever beaten up by one of the members. There were LOTS of lama jumpa covens around at one time, no High Priestess as leader, just him. And it is said he had a throne in the Circles, where he sat wearing that same saffron robe, he occasionally graced his Covens with his presence. All the Covens had names that started with "Isis", the rest of the Coven name would be a goddess with an "A" as the initial letter, for example, "Isis-Aphrodite" or "Isis-Astarte", etc. They celebrated "The Days of the Law" but we were told about the reception of the "book" by a prophet, and Aiwass was given more importance. This may have been local in Montreal, but I doubt it — the group was MUCH more active in Toronto, where in the 1970s, it is said that lama jumpa tried to set up a "Grand Wicca Council", to organise all Wiccan, the plan failed of course. Someone who is a Buddhist said lama jumpa probably got laughed out of the Buddhist temple in Montreal, he used to walk around wearing a saffron robe and a huge pentacle it is said. The "Isis" Covens have a passing mention in Kevin Marron's book. But of course lama jumpa is not mentioned, it is probably unusual for any "Neophyte" to know about him, I happen to, because of my relationship with my "Wicca teacher" and the fact that he did attend Circles where lama jumpa was present, since his teachers were quite high up in the hierarchy. They focus in their teachings heavily on Qabalah, etc., and Michael Straw still teaches Qabalah in this city, though I know nothing about any Coven(s) he might be running. It is not normal Wicca, where a woman would usually be "chief", this that the Isis groups do, would be called "Magister-led Covens" but Neophytes are not normally made aware of the Magister. All my relationship with the group ended in 1983-4, they do not _seem_ active now, and it sounds like lama jumpa went on to other things. "Sounds like" I say, because of course I recently wrote a rant about the Isis Covens (and have in the past), which I know Michael Straw has seen, and this below might be to cover their ass, to try to sweep the Wicca connection under the carpet, but then again, it might be genuine information. Who knows? The timing is interesting.....but it may be sent to you as an attempt to discredit what I say (or they think I may say) about lama jumpa since ALWAYS they tried to keep secrecy about Wicca, while publishing a book (several authors involved in it ), advertising in newspapers for students, and having contact people that were easy to find, AND having a LOT of expelled members. They managed to keep no "secrets" BTW, such things as Liber AL vel Legis and MTP and books on Qabalah are not secret to begin with...... LOL! ???? FS and neo-nazis? This does not surprise me. That makes me think the letter is genuine, since the writer mentions a long term student of lama jumpa's in toronto....though I never heard of this Richard Tschuddi fellow. There are rumours of neo-nazis in the occult in this city, and there certainly are some nasty and vicious people here, but to us it is just rumour... FS headed by lama jumpa? There was no sex magick with the "Isis" folks, I was told that all of the (later) leaders of the various "Isis" Covens (usually a couple) all took their third degrees with lama jumpa clapping his hands three times, and saying "now you are a third degree" LOL! (hearsay of course). As far as I know his saffron robe never came off in Circles. LOL! But going on to FS and Neo-Nazism.... is that what lama jumpa did AFTER Thelemic Wicca Buddhism? whew, that is frightening! PRK: tschudi, a Swiss, moved to Canada in the late 60s. in a 1979 issue of the Ma'at-magazine "Cincinnati Journal of Magick" he published Karl Wedler's FS-Manifesto - this action meant a sort of initiation for a sort of Canada-FS. tschudi is the 'boss' - he is now affiliated with the Ordo Saturni. as far as i know, tschudi is vehemently against nazi-ideology. i do have personal letters from him to other FS-protagonists where he complained that there is too much protofascism in canada. Leah: Maybe the protofascist comments were about the attempt to start up a "Grand Wicca Council" in Toronto? (not sure of dates, maybe, strong maybe, mid-70s, maybe earlier). There certainly were protofascist "elements", I am not really impartial here, but I did not know all this then. Three groups claiming to be Wiccan participated: 1) lama jumpa aka janus mithras aka carlos and the buddhist thelemic wiccan (with the FS behind, how incredible if true!) 2) richard and tamarra james, richard was coto from 1981, and as for other intiations undocumentable, but they had "The Relics", i.e. Gardner's Book of Shadows bought from the Ripley Museum for a huge amount of money ); 3) the high priest of one of the Coven-lineages I was initiated into (Enchanted Oak, in Montreal) who had been an RC-priest in training, quit, became a Wiccan High Priest in Montreal circa late 60s-early 1970s, then went back to the seminary. He was in Toronto at the time of the attempt to start up a Council. Never met him, but of course I know his High Priestess (who no longer lives here). As an RC priest (eventually) I heard he designed "folk masses", the sort with guitars and folk-singers, and so on. His name was Dwayne Anderson, known as "Andy". I think there was a meeting or two between the three groups, but it completely fell apart. I was told about the Council attempt sometime when I was in the Isis group, oh so long ago. Much later on, a three inch hand-made pewter cuff "came to me" that had been voted on being given to "the" High Priestess in Montréal by that Council, so I was told, ;-). This is all old history. To the best of my knowledge, the Council attempt was public. The little detail about the cuff was not, until now. But those who know, know (being mysterious). LOL! Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 From: gery moore ok this is wierd. i have known richard tschudi for several years. about a year ago he showed me an internet news letter he gets from swizterland which explains the "real" history of how the jewish bankers are running the world. when i argued with him he used the protocols of the elders of zion as evidence. i told him they were a forgery and he said that didn't matter as they told the truth even if they were forged. i supose he thinks that that jews are plotting the control and any forgery is ok that exposes their devious plots. these sort of conversations went on for several months. i should have been more agreeable as i might have found out more but i was shocked and alarmed. richard's pals were supporters of ernst zundel when he was fighting the canadian hate crimes prosecutions. richard repeatedly asked me how i would like to be presecuted for my beliefs to which i finally said that if i spread hatred i would hope to be persecuted. that pretty much ended the relationship. i have a friend or two who still hang out at his store. a seedy lot but i try not to be too judgemental. richard's primary business is pornography. he doesn't seem to adhere to general racist views. he has nothing bad to say about blacks and other non european races. however he regularly tried to get me on side on his jewish conspiracy stuff. it was laughable as they were asserting the rockefellers were jewish. he was quite surprised when i tols him they were dutch from the old new amsterdam colony(like the roosevelts) and were conservative baptist--a more dangerous denonination than any jewish group if you ask me. i came into contact with richard as we are both buddhists and i have taken teaching from his lineage leader penor rinpiche. this is my concern. that neo-nazi's are infiltrating the nyingma in toronto. the sub lineage holder and local leader lama jampa began accusing me of silly things soon after my falling out with richard so i assume richard told a few tales. both richard and lama jampa are quite stupid men. i have several degrees and i try not to be too judgemental of people who lack intellectual disipline but that's the plain fact of it. it was my degrees that attracked richard to me i am told. he was impressed and probably thought someone with a law degree(among others) would be of use. presently i'm a muscian and have no real desire to return to the law, but oh well one has to work occasionally. any way, in my contact with richard i met such a collection of misfits and several serious racialists, including neo-nazi's. he told me lama jampa was the leader of toronto's fraternitas saturni, and i am trying to figure how one can be a buddhist and do these apparently inconsistent practices. i think lama jampa is using buddhist robes to get the public respect that he cannot attain with his black robes of the f.s.. lama jampa told me he was not a crowleite but was teaching people to avoid the failings of crowley, and do the thelemic work corectly--my mind boggles at what that might mean.rishard however has nothing but praise for crowley. curiously i used to live in montreal back when the oto was getting going there. i've had coffee with bill breeze and had no idea then what he was doing.in fact i lived for three weeks in their old temple after they had moved out. nothing odd attacked me from the walls, or the ether.i have a friend still there who kept an eye on them, but was a total sceptic. montreal was and remains a hotbed of hippies and odd cults. i was surprised to see rod devenish(i think) in the picture. i knew he was part of the templars in toronto, and then started his own thing in vancouver, but he didn't ever tell me about the montreal group. birds of a feather i suspose. curiously rod is now kunzang palden, a buddhist lama of the nyingma tradition but a different lineage than lama jampa. rod is riwoche lineage, while lama jampa is paluyl. do you know the real name of carlos--i.e. lama jampa? and do you know any of his history? i guess i ought to have joined rod's templars when i had the chance,it would have given me more conections, but i thought they were looney. i hung around their retreat centre for a summer for the free food and rent. i was still a poor country boy from nova scotia looking for work out west, and had not yet gone to university. anyway it all gets stranger and stranger. i may not be able to down load the picture as this library(uof t) has limits on enclusures but i will try, thanks. i have asked rod for information on these topics but his web page seems morobund and his e mail may also be so, or he doesn't want to respond. PRK regarding Tschudi: i thought he is currently into Franz Bardon and Friedrich Lekve (once Crowley's representative for Germany, dead since 1956) Moore: yeah he does promote bardon and the present successor, and it's the same guy. even without the picture the bio was right. i don't wish to exagerate, as he is very nice to some people, he has helped a lot of poor people in the area, but he also is into these conspiracy theories. after knowing him for a few years i suspect richard isn't smart enough to understand the seriousness of these houlocost denial theories and the jewish banker theories. he believes many things that in buddhist terms are quite contradictory. however i'm about the only person in toronto who would be willing to over look these neo nazi ideas even if he stumbled into them stupidly. he is also foolishly sectarian in the buddhist world as is this lamma jampa. they see some other sects as evil when they are just different lineages--admitly contradictory lineages, but they won't talk to people from these opposing lineages, and likely they won't talk to me now. i haven;'t gone public with this stuff, and may not, as i can see little point. a lot of people are already shy of the paluyl for other similar disputes and my going public would be only aimed at warning people.i think the word is already out. i may, however try to write a history of occultism within buddhism in canada. it crops up a lot. i have nothing agaist occultism, and have hovered on the edges for years but many practices are a corruption of the buddhas teaching and if one follows them one ought to have no doubt that they are not buddhism. i would like to see a cleaning up of existing errors in buddhism without adding more. i have been reading your web site and i'm amazed at how much information you have gattered. these are normally very secretive people. you must have amazing contacts. i take it you haven't heard of rod devenish's knights templar? rod macdonald was a founder in toronto and peter lear in vancouver. they had a retreat centre in revelstoke that became a buddhist centre. i think rod made up his lineage but his father was high in old english rosicrucion circles and part of the green shits, the major douglas/social credit party in england in the thirties.he claimed a lineage from robert roerich who was a friend of his father. his father did some of edmund bordeaux szezkley's translations by the way.the essene gospel guy. you must be pissing off people with the openness of that web site. i'll have to ask my buddies who have stayed in montreal from the seventies on, about breeze. he cut quite a figure. however ,he was much more focused than the usual characters in that wierdest neighbourhood in canada. but then if you weren't a drug addict in that neighbourhood you were practically a middle class elder of the baptist church. i know several people who were in his group but they were all upper class and have sworn off us lowly nova scotian "immigrants". one even told me that to my face. besides most are back in daddy's business, the oto period was likely an embarrasment.breeze wasn't there in the early seventies, i think. he likely arrived in the late seventies and stayed untill the early nineties. of all that crowd i don't ever remember him being obviuosly drunk or stoned--unusual at that time and place, but he had a buzz. anyway i will keep reading the web site and may have a few questions. where did you get richard's letters? are they public? i do have more information about richard's beliefs but they are second hand so i'll sit on them except he thinks he's a secert guardian of the aryan nation. rings rather suspiciously to me. besides as a three quarters gaelic scott i've got to say of any europeans are aryans it's us, or the lithuannians. i've done a lot of research on early indo europerans and gaelic and old lithuannian are the closest european languages to sanskrit. LATER, Richard Tschudi, June 2003: Ich inzwischen in eine regulare Freimaurer Loge eingetretten (vor 6 Jahren) und breue es etwas, dass ich diesen Schritt nicht schon vor 25 Jahren unternommen habe. In einer regularen, gewoehnlichen Freimaurerloge lernt man doch sich "korrekt" in einert Loge zu benehman und auch ein Loge effektiv zu fuehren. Wenn zum Beispiel jedes Fraternitas Saturni Mitglied zuerst Freimaurer sein muesste um in die FS auf genommen zu werden waere die FS nich ein solcher Sauhaufen (Wenigstens damals. Ueber den heutigen Stand der FS in Europa weiss ich nicht zuviel). Ich bin auch bei den freimaurischen Rosenkreuzer aktiv. Am 17. Juni dieses Jahres feiern wir mit den Rosenkreuzer das Fest "Corpus Chrisi" als den hoechsten Feiertag im Rosenkreuzerischen Kalender. Am 29. Juni wird ein orthtoxer magisch geschulter Rabbiner bei uns (Rosenkreuzer) einen Kurst in Kabbalah geben. Ich habe auch ein klein Fraternitas Saturni Studiengruppe. Zur Zeit ist es nur eine "Esoterische Studien Gruppe" welch eventuell zu einer Fraternitas Loge umgeformt wird sobald alle Mitglieder ein bestimmtes Grundwissen haben. Meine meiste Energie verwende ich nun fuer die regulaere Blaue Maurerei, Royal Arch und Schottischer Ritus. Mit seperater e-mail schicke ich Dir noch ein Bild aufgenommen anlaesslich einer Installation eines Rosenkreuzer Collegiums in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Siehe auch Societas Rosicruciana in Canada. — Ich bin im Bild ganz rechts. Das Bild wurde im Gebaude der (Blauen) Freimaurer-Grossloge in Winnipeg aufgenommen vor dem Canada Logenraum. Das Gebaeude hat 3 Logenraeume genannt "Canada" (groesster Raum), "Manitoba" (mittelgrosser Raum} und Winnipe {kleiner Raum) Ich habe mit meinen Rosenkreuzer Fratres und Logenbruedern gesprochen und Sie sagen es ist ok, dass Du das Bild unverfaelscht auf Deiner Webseite veroeffentlichst. Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 From: gery moore i'll have to ask my buddies who have stayed in montreal from the seventies on, about breeze. this will take a while as they aren't e mail types, and i only go up once or twice a year but i'l let you know if i find anything interesting. the two people who were in bill breeze's active ceremonies, that i know, have gone back to the upper class from whence they came so they will not be much use, but one of them lived with one of my buddies for years. it was her house i stayed in that was used for the ceremonies for a while. i noticed you thought the people in the picture were sort of throw back sixtish. well that's sort of true but quebec has had it's own revolution, for independence from canada, and it's still going on. the trapings of the revolutionary chic live on in quebec as the revolution is real to them. breeze spoke french--better than me, and the cafe theleme was in the french end of the bohemian district, so most of the habutues would be from the quebec cultural revolution if not the actual political revolution. my friends were english, except me, and we hung out west of rue st denis. the french were east. breeze breezed between the two with apparent ease. not impossible but not easy. i went to the french area a lot more than most anglos, as i was trying to improve my french and it was culturally quite different. every kind of sect under the sun was active, and they still are. i didn't ask breeze what he was up to as i didn't want to be recruited, and lots of people over in that world were constantly recruiting. i actually only went in the cafe once and didn't stay long, but you do have to be a little carefull in such a world. you know the chinese curse, may you live in interesting times, well in montreal, you may live in a interesting neighbourhood. ps i love the moose bumps and mc moose intros.Watch out where the Mooses go
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